Ban Xah Lee

A

Alan Mackenzie

In comp.lang.lisp Xah Lee said:
Some people says that i don't participate in discussion, and this is
part of the reason they think i'm a so-called ?troll?. Actually i do,
and read every reply to my post, as well have replied to technical
questions other posted. Most replies to my posts are attacks or
trivial (of few sentences) i don't consider worthy to reply.

Hmmm. What does that say about your posts? ;-) Actually, short replies
need not be, and often aren't, "trivial".
A few, maybe 10% replies to my unconventional posts, i consider having
some value. But if i don't have sufficiently remarkable opinion on
what they remarked, i don't reply. Also, if all i wanted to say is
?thanks?, i tend to avoid posting such trivial posts too.

Saying "thanks" isn't "trivial". It gives feedback to the other poster,
confirming that what he's written has been read by you, and that it is
useful, or at least appreciated. It indicates to the group what level
of answers is useful to you, what your level of sophistication is. It
makes the group work better.
if you didn't start your message with ?IMHO?, which indicated to me
that at least you are sincere, i would not have replied. (no offense
intended)

Nearly every Usenet post is an "IMHO". This one certainly is. The lack
of an explicit "IMHO" doesn't imply any lack of sincerity.
Btw, i'm not some kind of saint. You (guys) do whatever
chatty style you want, i write or choose to reply in my abstruse &
ascetic manners. Just don't accuse when my style is not compatible
your drivels. (insult intentional)

"Ascetic manners"! That's wonderful, almost on a par with Sir Robert
Armstrong's "being economical with the truth". :)
Also, thanks to many supporters over the past years.

Hey, you're not going away, are you?
 
C

Craig Allen

There you go: a 30-second psychological diagnosis by an
electrical engineer based entirely on Usenet postings.  It
doesn't get much more worthless than that...

rolf but interesting post nonetheless. I have been really somewhat
fascinated by AS since I heard of it about a decade ago. There are
many among us, with interesting ideas, occasionally savant level
insight into certain abstractions, which often they can not
communicate but which lie there for those that can communicate or come
to understand nonetheless.

having said that, none of this forgives rudeness or implies people
have to tolarate it due to a person's condition, or even due to trying
to help them achieve their potential (and thus get something
productive out of it ourselves as well)... that is, if you have these
communications problems you have to realize it, thank god you are
functional, and just that alone will help you communicate.

me, also IANAP, also working from usenet and an asperger's book I read
(and google)...
 
L

Larry Gates

Uhhhhh ...

There's nothing quite as Europaen as B.O. Europe: "where they have the
means to use soap but not the inclination."
--
larry gates

I'm not consistent about consistency, you see, except when I am...
And I try to believe six foolish consistencies before breakfast each day.
:)
-- Larry Wall in <[email protected]>
 
K

Kenneth Tilton

Craig said:
rolf but interesting post nonetheless. I have been really somewhat
fascinated by AS since I heard of it about a decade ago. There are
many among us, with interesting ideas, occasionally savant level
insight into certain abstractions, which often they can not
communicate but which lie there for those that can communicate or come
to understand nonetheless.

having said that, none of this forgives rudeness or implies people
have to tolarate it due to a person's condition, or even due to trying
to help them achieve their potential (and thus get something
productive out of it ourselves as well)... that is, if you have these
communications problems you have to realize it, thank god you are
functional, and just that alone will help you communicate.

eeep!

kt

ps. when the hell do I get an eponymous banning thread?! I have been
flaming this damn group for 13 years and no recognition!! k
 
H

Hendrik van Rooyen

Kenneth Tilton said:
ps. when the hell do I get an eponymous banning thread?! I have been
flaming this damn group for 13 years and no recognition!! k

Well you are obviously not trying hard enough, so you have nobody
but yourself to blame if you get pipped at the post after 13 years:

It would help if you cross posted gratuitously, flaming the wrong
group in response to random blog comments that you read elsewhere.
Oh yes, I almost forgot - you also have to have some grotty website
that is full of autogenerated rubbish that you keep posting links to
as if it were the answer to life the universe, and everything.

So having manifestly failed to follow the accepted recipe for getting
yourself banned - why are you surprised?

- Hendrik
 
B

Bruce C. Miller

Of interest:

• Why Can't You Be Normal?

Though I doubt this will do any good, I'll offer some advice that
hasn't been mentioned here and solved a lot of the problems I've had
early in life with resistance to overly-emotional negative reactions
to my opinions.

Say a person spends a great deal of time and energy researching some
topic and, based upon the evidence uncovered, comes to a conclusion
about it that is contrary to the established position within a
community, like, that RMS is a crackpot, as a simple example, which is
something I happen to agree with but that won't win many friends in
#emacs. Now, you could go in #emacs and declare your discovery of this
important fact (and, if true, it is important, since RMS is
influential), but what do you suppose will happen? Will your message's
recipients, upon hearing this news, examine your evidence, spend a few
days questioning their own beliefs, then thank you for aligning their
thoughts more closely with reality? It's possible, but chances are
you'll just be greeted with a bunch of knee-jerk defensive reactions.

So, let me offer to you a notion that maybe you haven't considered:
who cares what other people think? Sure, it's a noble cause to spread
your ideas or at least get them out there in the public discourse,
even if they're wrong, but have some realistic expectations as to your
opinion's impact. I happen to think that the "common wisdom" about
most things is typically anything but wise, and often completely
incorrect, but I don't view it as my duty on Earth to convince the
world that MS bashing, socialism, religion, etc are stupid. If asked,
I'll offer my opinion and reasoning for it, but if the other person
remains unconvinced, it's his loss.

All this said, as someone that hangs out in some of the IRC channels
you've been banned from, and having read the logs that resulted in
your banning, it's pretty obvious you've got other problems on top of
this. As often cited, your propensity for monologuing, for one. IRC,
Usenet, and such are conversational mediums, while you fail to make
the distinction between them and writing on your website. If you just
want to make declarations and honestly have nothing to learn from
others, then these are the wrong outlets for you. Your awkward grasp
of the English language doesn't help either. If you want to
communicate ideas, it can only help to master the language in which
these ideas are encoded (think about some of the things you have said
yourself about the importance of standard protocols). And, most
importantly, while I don't think you're an idiot by any means, you are
obviously very lacking in the realm of emotional maturity. The
spectacle you've made of yourself with this thread is proof enough of
this. You are a grown man, take whatever time you need to stare at
yourself in the mirror until you realize this and become determined to
act like one.
 
D

David Kastrup

Bruce C. Miller said:
Though I doubt this will do any good, I'll offer some advice that
hasn't been mentioned here and solved a lot of the problems I've had
early in life with resistance to overly-emotional negative reactions
to my opinions.

Say a person spends a great deal of time and energy researching some
topic and, based upon the evidence uncovered, comes to a conclusion
about it that is contrary to the established position within a
community, like, that RMS is a crackpot, as a simple example, which is
something I happen to agree with but that won't win many friends in
#emacs. Now, you could go in #emacs and declare your discovery of this
important fact (and, if true, it is important, since RMS is
influential), but what do you suppose will happen?

People will think about it a lot and decide that our society could
greatly benefit from increasing the number of crackpots. The
non-crackpots come and go without leaving much of a trace. However,
being a crackpot is not sufficient in itself (this probably being more
of a side effect rather than the main gist), so the message might not
actually be helpful.

So what is there to gain?
 
X

Xah Lee

over the past 15 years, every few months i got emails from authors for
permission request of materials on my website.

today, while searching for my name on google, i found a result in
books.google.com . Out of curiosity, i searched my name in
books.google.com, and here's a hilarious result:

Machine Learning and Data Mining in Pattern Recognition: 5th
International Conference, MLDM 2007, Leipzig, Germany, July 18-20,
2007, Proceedings (Lecture ... / Lecture Notes in Artificial
Intelligence) (Paperback)
by Petra Perner (Editor)

http://books.google.com/books?id=CE1QzecoVf4C&pg=PA401&dq=xah+lee#PPA401,M1

Hilarious! (^o^)

He says: “... Barely considering du, he is easily to be neglectedâ€.
What the hell does that mean!!? :)

Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄
 
A

Arved Sandstrom

Xah said:
over the past 15 years, every few months i got emails from authors for
permission request of materials on my website.

today, while searching for my name on google, i found a result in
books.google.com . Out of curiosity, i searched my name in
books.google.com, and here's a hilarious result:

Machine Learning and Data Mining in Pattern Recognition: 5th
International Conference, MLDM 2007, Leipzig, Germany, July 18-20,
2007, Proceedings (Lecture ... / Lecture Notes in Artificial
Intelligence) (Paperback)
by Petra Perner (Editor)

http://books.google.com/books?id=CE1QzecoVf4C&pg=PA401&dq=xah+lee#PPA401,M1

Hilarious! (^o^)

He says: “... Barely considering du, he is easily to be neglectedâ€.
What the hell does that mean!!? :)

Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

I think it means that she considers your datapoint to be an outlier, and
that the actual number of posts to CLPM was not really a consideration
in reaching that conclusion.

AHS
 
G

Gernot Hassenpflug

Arved Sandstrom said:
I think it means that she considers your datapoint to be an outlier,
and that the actual number of posts to CLPM was not really a
consideration in reaching that conclusion.

AHS

Crap, what the hell are *you* doing here, Arved. This is so frightening!

LOL
Gernot (shocked to find people have other interests, hehe)
 
D

Dave Searles

Gernot said:
Crap, what the hell are *you* doing here, Arved. This is so frightening!

He's a regular poster to cljp, into which Xah crossposted this execrable
thread, as he so often does.
 
M

markspace

Gernot said:
Crap, what the hell are *you* doing here, Arved. This is so frightening!

LOL
Gernot (shocked to find people have other interests, hehe)


Thanks for cross posting this to five different newsgroups. Your
garbage is not wanted here, here being clj.programmer. Learn to use you
newsreader and check where you posts are going before you send them.

Followup's sent to alt.flame.
 

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