W
Walter Hurry
+1
+1
D
Dennis Lee Bieber
That would depend upon ones news client, would it not?
My biggest complaint with Agent is that it can only filter on "From"
and "Subject" for NNTP, but can filter on lots of headers for POP3.
As a result, I could easily filter against posters using gmail, as
that is in their "From" header. I'm unable to filter on a
googlegroups.com message ID.
G
Grant Edwards
Score:: =-9999
Message-ID: .*googlegroups.com
R
Robert Miles
You're probably referring to their change in the way they handle
end-of-lines, which is now incompatible with most newsreaders,
especially with multiple levels of quoting.
The incompatibility tends to insert a blank line after every line.
With multiple levels of quoting, this gives blank line groups that
often roughly double in size for every level of quoting.
Robert Miles
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Robert Miles
When you try to post anything to a newsgroup, they try
to use their method of preventing email spammers from
getting email addresses by complaining about any email
addresses that look like the could be valid.
If you want to make the post compatible with their
method, select the option to edit the post when they
offer it, and change the last three characters before
each @ in an email address to three periods (...).
The submit should then work.
R
Robert Miles
Some of it, but they still had my newsgroups posts from 15 years ago
the last time I looked.
They appear to have taken most of any Fidonet data offline, though.
They appear to be taking some of the spam and other abuse offline
after it's reported by at least two people, but rather slowly and
not keeping up with the amount that's posted.
For those of you running Linux: You may want to look into whether
NoCeM is compatible with your newsreader and your version of Linux.
It checks newsgroups news.lists.filters and alt.nocem.misc for lists
of spam posts, and will automatically hide them for you. Not available
for other operating systems, though, except possibly Unix.
NoCeM
http://www.cm.org/nocem.html
bleachbot
http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/
G
Grant Edwards
Learn something else. Google Groups is seriously and permanently
broken, and all posts from Google Groups are filtered out and ignored
by many people (including myself -- I only saw this because somebody
else replied to it).
IMO, the best option is to point a newsreader an an NNTP server that
carries comp.lang.python (gname.org also provides an NNTP server that
gateways to the mailing list). Pointing a newsreader at gmane's NNTP
server is also an excellent option.
If all you can do is run a browwer, then I suggest using gmane.org:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_mailing_list
http://www.python.org/community/lists/
The python mailing list is gatewayed to the Usenet newsgroup
comp.lang.python (which is where I read/post from):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
Yes. You can subscribe directly to the list (which means you'll
receive a _lot_ of e-mail every day).
R
rurpy
You (BF) are wrong that there "doesn't seem to be much its users
can do..." and I explained why previously. However, since you have
advocated killfiling anyone using GG (which I do) you probably didn't
see my post. If you choose intentional ignorance that is your choice
but you do a disservice to the community by advocating that others
do the same.
(Officer, I don't deserve this ticket because I couldn't see the
traffic signal was red; I had my eyes closed.
It's a minor pain to fix this when posting, but
1. It is fixable (and previous post of mine gave a couple ways)
2. The double spacing is obvious in Google's compose window
so if one posts anyway, it is a matter of laziness.
can do..." and I explained why previously. However, since you have
advocated killfiling anyone using GG (which I do) you probably didn't
see my post. If you choose intentional ignorance that is your choice
but you do a disservice to the community by advocating that others
do the same.
(Officer, I don't deserve this ticket because I couldn't see the
traffic signal was red; I had my eyes closed.
It's a minor pain to fix this when posting, but
1. It is fixable (and previous post of mine gave a couple ways)
2. The double spacing is obvious in Google's compose window
so if one posts anyway, it is a matter of laziness.
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rurpy
"Broken"? Yes. But so is every piece of software in one way
or another. Thunderbird is one of the most perpetually buggy
pierces of software I have ever used on a continuing basis.
"Seriously"? That's pretty subjective. I manage to use it
without major problems so it couldn't be that bad. I posted
previously on how to use it without the double posts or the
double spacing.
"Permenantly"? Your ability to foretell the future leaves me
in awe.
Feel free to filter whatever you want but be aware than in
doing so you risk missing information that could help you
avoid disseminating erroneous info. Of course, carrying out
some kind of private war against Google Groups may be more
important to you than that...
M
Mark Lawrence
Please provide evidence that Thunderbird is buggy. I use it quite
happily, don't have problems, and have never seen anybody complaining
about it.
S
Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:32:57 -0700, rurpy wrote:
[...]
I don't killfile merely for posting from Gmail or Google Groups, but
regarding your second point, it has seemed to me for some years now that
Gmail is the new Hotmail, which was the new AOL. Whenever there is an
inane, lazy, mind-numbingly stupid question or post, chances are
extremely high that the sender has a Gmail address.
[...]
I don't killfile merely for posting from Gmail or Google Groups, but
regarding your second point, it has seemed to me for some years now that
Gmail is the new Hotmail, which was the new AOL. Whenever there is an
inane, lazy, mind-numbingly stupid question or post, chances are
extremely high that the sender has a Gmail address.
A
Arnaud Delobelle
On 31 October 2012 22:33, Steven D'Aprano
And we are humbly grateful.
And we are humbly grateful.
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Robert Miles
If you're using it for reasonable purposes, you won't encounter
its worst flaw. It's much too easy for spammers to use for
posting spam. I'd estimate that about 99% of the world's
newsgroups spam in English is posted through Google Groups.
R
Robert Miles
Why should they complain about it in this newsgroup?
Most of the people who complain about it know that complaining
in newsgroup mozilla.support.thunderbird is much more likely
to get any problems fixed. Rather few newsgroups servers are
allowed to carry that newsgroup; news.mozilla.org is one of them.
The newsgroups section of Thunderbird seems to have more bugs
than the email section, partly because there are more volunteers
interested in working on the email section.
M
Mark Lawrence
I'm reading all the Python *MAILING LISTS* that I'm interested in with
Thunderbird. Here. Now. So do a lot of other people. If they weren't
happy with it, they'd be stating so here when this type of discussion
came up.
J
Jamie Paul Griffin
/ Steven D'Aprano wrote on Wed 31.Oct'12 at 22:33:16 +0000 /
That's a bit harsh but then, sadly there's some truth in it. I subscribe to a number of technical mailing lists, like that of my OS OpenBSD and the problem doesn't exist there whether they use Gmail or Hotmail, etc, or not. This and the tutor python list are the two I have the most problems with formatting. Some people just don't seem to give a shit about sending horrid html and other irritating formatted mail in spite of being asked not to do so.
That's a bit harsh but then, sadly there's some truth in it. I subscribe to a number of technical mailing lists, like that of my OS OpenBSD and the problem doesn't exist there whether they use Gmail or Hotmail, etc, or not. This and the tutor python list are the two I have the most problems with formatting. Some people just don't seem to give a shit about sending horrid html and other irritating formatted mail in spite of being asked not to do so.
J
Jamie Paul Griffin
/ Robert Miles wrote on Wed 31.Oct'12 at 0:39:02 -0500 /
Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering and Computer Science, etc. For UNIX there are loads of decent news reading software and mail user agents to learn and use. slrn is a good one and point it at gmane.org as someone else pointed out. I can't even imagine using a browser or Google Groups, etc. now.
Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering and Computer Science, etc. For UNIX there are loads of decent news reading software and mail user agents to learn and use. slrn is a good one and point it at gmane.org as someone else pointed out. I can't even imagine using a browser or Google Groups, etc. now.
G
Grant Edwards
Based on past experience, the chances of useful information being
posted via Google Groups is very small. The benefit of avoiding all
the spam and garbage the comes from that source is more than worth the
small risk of missing something worthwhile.
Note that I'm _not_ talking about people posting to the mailing list
using Gmail -- only people posting via the Google Groups web UI.
R
rurpy
I hesitate to respond to this because thunderbird bugs are really
OT, but since you insist...
A few years ago started keeping a list TB problems I encountered.
I stopped maintaining it a year or so ago.
It is a mixture of bugs, misfeatures, and things I couldn't
figure out, etc. Many have been fixed in later versions.
Nevertheless, it illustrates *my* experience with TB.
Note that despite the problems, I still use TB in some
contexts.
Different apps have different bugs/(mis)features and every
person has their own weighting factors on those bugs.
End result is different people prefer different apps for
different purposes (and some of us find GG the least worst
choice for posting here.)
====
* In Search dialog clicked on the Search in folder dropdown after
an earlier search and TB crashed (disappeared along with the
new message I was editing.) [3.0.1]
* Search for japanese text in body no longer works (never finds
text even when it exists). [3.0.1] Used to work.
* Each mail message displays useless header info that uses 25%
of the available vertical space.
* When editing a reply message, typing a return at eol results in
two blank lines inserted.
* When editing message, siometimes edit cursor disappears
tho editing still seems to work normally.
* Requires voodoo to create hmtl new message when default is
plain text or visa versa. Have to hold shift key while clicking
"write" button. Shift while choosing "new", "reply", etc in
menu doesn't work.
* Frequently, clinking on a usenet newsgroup results in TB freeze.
Only solution is to remove group and re-add later. (Problem
since 2.x days.)
* Frequently after an apparently normal shutdown, attempt to restart
results in "TB is already running" error.
* Some folders in the folder tree view are greyed out and not
selectable even though they have no visible different properties
than selectable ones. Don't know how they got that way.
* Clicking on a folder in the folder tree pane results in a pop-
up dialog "this folder is not selectable" that has to be dismissed,
even though one is trying to get it's properties, or is selecting
it to create a subfolder.
* Messages change from "read" to "unread" in folders at random when
folder is accessed, or even when it is not accessed. [gone in 3.0.3?]
* Interminttently, when I click a usenet message to view it,
the contents pane remains blank. Contents of that message
remain blank foreever. [new with 3.0.1].
* When TB main window closed while editing an email, can no longer
save the email, even if the TB main window is reopened.
* Counts of new messages in usenet groups are often wildly high.
* When opening up a usenet server, status bar reports "no new
messages on server" even though TB then updates the groups
with the new messages that *are* on the server. [new in 3.0.1]
* After upgrade to TB-3.0, opening a usenet server results not
only in the group being scanned for new messages in each group
(as before) but also the headers for all those new messages
being downloaded (slow on a dialup connection and a waste of
time if I don't intend to read anything in that group).
No obvious way to revert to original behaviour.
* Even tho the number of unread messages listed beside a usenet
group in the folder pane is less than the download limit, I
sometimes get pop-up asking how many messages to download,
when I access the group. (side effect of above problem I think.)
* Sometimes TB downloads two copies of each header.
* When I compress folders, get a series of several dozen pop-
up messages (each requiring a click on "OK") telling me
that foplder "xx" is not selectable.
* Copy-paste from TB to other app fails if TB is closed
before the paste -- the paste buffer appears empty [TB-3.0b4]
* Copy paste fails by removing text (forgot if it is just the
copied text or other text) in the TB message when pasted
somewhere else. [TB-2?]
* After upgrade to TB-3.0x, i no longer see a way to create a
new imap subfolder. Had to create it using MSOE.
* After upgrade to TB-3.0x double clicking on attached .jpg image
no longer opens it -- only option is to save and open outside
of TB. phfft.
* HTF do you change the font size for plain text message composition?
Prefs has a setting for html but...
* search of body for multiple "anded" text never ends if one of
the search boxes is empty.
* Search "stop" button doesn't stop search.
* One group frequently, without any action on my part, read thousands
of old articles, showing them as unread, and when I choose one, responds
with "article expired" message. (tb-3.0.4)
* Sometimes clicking a group in tree pane causes TB freeze. (This is different
than similar problem listed above in that above problem happens when clicking
on article in group, and this problem only requires a tb resart to fix whereas
above problem required unsubscribing/resubscribing group.)
* Sometimes newgroups are colored blue in the tree pane, no idea why.
* Sometimes when a message is dragged to a different folder, the
message pane continue to display the message contents although the
message highlighted in the message list pane is a different one.
(tb-3.0.4)
* Every time I access a particular news group, TB seems create two
connections to it, the second one times out after 5 minutes or so
but keeps the progress bar active and the status bar displaying
"no new messages". Deleting and recreating acount does not fix.
(tb-3.0.4, 3.1.10)
* Save as html page gives Gnome "open" dialog, click on directory
button to save in parent directory, click save, file is saved in
original directory.
* Lately when TB is started, there is one account that is always
displayed expanded even though it was collapsed when TB was last
shutdown. (tb-13.0).
R
rurpy
Are you saying that this group is only for "serious" programmers?
"serious" is also a matter of opinion. I have some serious
programmer friends who maintain, in complete sincerity, that
serious programmers should not waste time on slow, script-kiddie
languages like Python, but should be developing their skills
with serious professional languages like Java, C#, etc.