Interesting new development "in the matter of" Schildt

[Chad]

I am corresponding with Neumann with my concerns as we write. You
know, he rejects unanswered 97% of Risks submissions and messages, yet
I've had about 30 pieces published, so I don't think I've been
ranting. Maybe that sound is you?

He feels he needs to be fair to the many people who, unaccustomed to
anything but the most overspecialized and narrow material on the job,
think the post was off topic...not computer-related, despite the fact
that you kinda need a computer to destroy a person's reputation
through wikipedia.

I have written him, saying that the problem is this "focus", this over-
specialization, we learn in school, in a dysfunctional educational
system, and in consequence, merely lively prose and research out of
scale with the minimally acceptable is usually considered off topic.

I have said he may publish my email in Risks 26.07 and 26.08.

"Focus" shouldn't mean "ignoring basic decency and respect for
others". But it usually does, doesn't it?

What is so special about Risks?

 

[crisgoogle]

well take the shibboleth word out and you *might* have a smidgeion of

Does anyone else find it ironic (or even true) that simply knowing the
_meaning_ of the word "shibboleth" is probably a, well, shibboleth
identifying readers of clc? =)

I know _I_ didn't know the word until coming here. Hmmm, dare I say
that
I may have actually learned something from you-know-who?

 

[Keith Thompson]

What is so special about Risks?

Chad, please don't feed the troll. If you must respond, please don't
quote the entire article.

 

[spinoza1111]

Chad wrote:

<snip>




It's a moderated group. Therefore, in theory at least, you have to be
able to write in a medium other than crayon to stand a fighting chance
of having your articles approved. In practice, however, one or two
crayon masterpieces do get through, to the eternal delight of their
authors and the chagrin of the moderator and his readership.

Sorry...your rather snide implication is wrong. Neumann accepts 3% of
posts submitted (he has told me this today, in an email exchange on
his apology for posting my Schildt article). He has accepted 100% of
my submissions since I started submitting: cf.
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/php/risks/search.php?query=nilges: don't
count the replies to me: there are about 30 posts from me, either new
articles or replies.

I have asked Peter to reconsider the apology, informing him that the
large number of protests was probably cybernetic mob action. He may or
may not. There may or may not be a discussion of the facts in the
Schildt article, or a meta-discussion of the role narrowness of focus
plays in keeping techies in line.

The article was long, because I need to argue for a novel case: that
ordinary working people who accomplish far more than you slobs need to
be protected against mob actions such as CTCN.

 

[spinoza1111]

On Jun 1, 9:07 pm,spinoza1111<[email protected]> wrote:

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What is so special about Risks?

Chad, please don't feed the troll.  If you must respond, please don't
quote the entire article.

"Please don't recognize the (Jew, Negro, Arab, Asian, troll)".

"The passengers [of United Flight 93 on Sep 11] were heroes. The
passengers [of Turkish vessel Mavi Marmora, who defended women and
children below decks] were just animals."

"Don't feed the troll."

"You [philosophy professor Douglas Giles] are instructed hereby not to
use the word 'Zionism' or to discuss 'Zionism' in your class in World
Religions. The Palestinians are animals." - Chair of department,
Roosevelt University, Chicago, 2006

"Don't feed the troll."

"'Look! A negro!'" - Franz Fanon, The Wretched of the Earth

"Don't feed the troll."

"He who is reluctant to recognize me opposes me." - Franz Fanon

 

[spinoza1111]

Does anyone else find it ironic (or even true) that simply knowing the
_meaning_ of the word "shibboleth" is probably a, well, shibboleth
identifying readers of clc?  =)

I know _I_ didn't know the word until coming here. Hmmm, dare I say
that
I may have actually learned something from you-know-who?

I was the first to use the word. Prior to 1987, I understood it,
rather vaguely, to mean an accepted belief or catchphrase of vaguely
Hebrew origin.

In 1987, I was demonstrating how to use the then-new Macintosh
Hypercard to Bill Howarth, a professor in Princeton's English
department. I was a programmer in Princeton's info centers.

I suggested to Professor Howarth that the teacher could use simple
scrolling and text animation in class to demonstrate how a poem should
be read.

I used Dylan Thomas' poem "A Refusal to Mourn the Death, by Fire, of a
Child in London":

Never until the mankind making
Bird beast and flower
Fathering and all humbling darkness
Tells with silence the last light breaking
And the still hour
Is come of the sea tumbling in harness

And I must enter again the round
Zion of the water bead
And the synagogue of the ear of corn...

Howarth explained that Thomas was thinking of the shibboleths, the
catch-phrases that we use in the face of tragedy, that the
"shibboleth" was the way you pronounced "ear of corn" in ancient
Israel, then, as now, a tribal friend or foe kind of place (tragically
so in view of the slaughter of activists by commandos last Monday).

I now use Visual Basic to teach poetry. I vastly prefer this to
sitting in Hooters listening to computer programmers, but perhaps
being nostalgic I come here.

 

[spinoza1111]

What is so special about Risks?

Peter Neumann, unlike Peter Seebach (the moderator of
comp.lang.c.moderated) diligently reviews all posts that pass a spam
filter. He then accepts for publication 3% of all posts that pass.

In other words: comp.risks is free of the toxic garbage we see here.

 

[spinoza1111]

I'm amazed! Are those genuine submissions are does he get spammed?

They are submissions that have passed an automated spam filter.

I didn't say your other RISKS posts were rants. I said that one was.

Fair enough. However, read it again.

Dennis Miller was a rather unfunny Saturday Night Live comedian. He is
now rich and Republican. He introduced the hip meme that ANY criticism
of the way things are is a useless rant, which turns "satire" onto
itself. SNL does this because any REAL criticism of ACTUAL power
(independent of the tweedledee and tweedledum major parties and the
personal tics of their candidates) angers sponsors.

You'll be pleased to hear you've had 29 more posts accepted to RISKS
than I.

Tickled pink.

It's about 30. Go to http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/php/risks/search.php?query=Nilges.
Discount the approximately seven that are replies to me.

he said that or you "read between the lines"?  I'd say destroying a
reputation on Wikipedia (I'm not agreeing that this is so in this
case) is indeed computer related.

Submit to risks stating your belief and the reasons why, by all
means.

no not necessarily.

"The executioners face is always well hid" - Bob Dylan

 

[spinoza1111]

Was this reply to Seebs typed by a human or some of those
monkeys-at-keyboards whose output will eventually include the works of
the world's finest authors?

No. It's merely the case that you were carefully educated to be unable
to either read or write a sentence of a high complexity, so as to make
you a safe worker bee.

Spinny's burblings here are the best example of a non-sequitur that I've
seen in a coon's age!

You're also a fucking racist asshole.

 

[spinoza1111]

Chad, please don't feed the troll.  If you must respond, please don't
quote the entire article.

"Please don't recognize the (Jew, Negro, Arab, Asian, troll)".

"The passengers [of United Flight 93 on Sep 11] were heroes. The
passengers [of Turkish vessel Mavi Marmora, who defended women and
children below decks] were just animals."

Note: the Mavi Marmara (not Marmora) was the lead vessel in the Gaza
humanitarian mission. Last Monday, (31 May 2010) it was boarded by
Israeli commandos (trained killers) who used the fact that about 20
Palestinians tried to protect the activists, women and children below
decks with clubs and deck chairs. Between 14 and 20 activists were
killed in cold blood. The Turkish government has withdrawn its
ambassador to Israel. Turkey and Ireland, who have nationals on a new
relief mission on board the "Rachel Corrie", are considering
accompanying the RC with warships as it approaches the Gaza coast this
week.

In a moral sense, this is relevant to clc.

"Don't feed the troll."

"You [philosophy professor Douglas Giles] are instructed hereby not to
use the word 'Zionism' or to discuss 'Zionism' in your class in World
Religions. The Palestinians are animals." - Chair of department,
Roosevelt University, Chicago, 2006

"Don't feed the troll."

"'Look! A negro!'" - Franz Fanon, The Wretched of the Earth

"Don't feed the troll."

"He who is reluctant to recognize me opposes me." - Franz Fanon

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) (e-mail address removed)  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Nokia
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

 

[Tim Streater]

No. It's merely the case that you were carefully educated to be unable
to either read or write a sentence of a high complexity, so as to make
you a safe worker bee.

Ah, content-free then. I thought as much.

You're also a fucking racist asshole.

You could try checking the etymology of the expression. You might learn
something (again), O ignorant lout.

 

[Tim Streater]

Are you a betting man, by any chance?

I agree it's long odds.

 

[John Bode]

Who is Schildt? - Hide quoted text -

Herb Schildt is a somewhat notorious author of a number of popular but
*deeply* flawed books on C and C++. Most of these works are marked
"Not Recommended" by the Association of C and C++ Users
(www.accu.org), and a number of other reviewers (including Peter
Seebach and Clive Feather) have pointed out some of the errors on
their own websites. I had a copy of the 1st edition of "C: The
Complete Reference" back when I was in college (1986-89 timeframe)
that eventually wound up in the trash; many of the examples wouldn't
compile, and the ones that did had numerous runtime errors. It didn't
help that he explained basic concepts incorrectly and confused DOS-
specific extensions with the core library. The current (4th) edition
still has problems.

Despite this, Schildt is held up as an authority on C programming. Go
figure.

What is Shibboleths?

As is being used here, a shibboleth is a cultural feature that
identifies you as part of a group, usually in the form of a word or
phrase, although it could be something like a secret handshake or
other specific ritual.

 

[Colonel Harlan Sanders]

I was the first to use the word. Prior to 1987, I understood it,
rather vaguely, to mean an accepted belief or catchphrase of vaguely
Hebrew origin.

You were "first to use that word"?

"Vaguely Hebrew origin"?

On the one hand, you assert you invented a word from the Old
Testament, that anyone who went to Sunday School or read a Gideon
Bible on a slow night should be familiar with, on the other you aren't
sure if it's Hebrew. Seems you are conflicted between your pretensions
to scholarship and the hatred of Israel that you randomly inject into
posts here.

===============
Judges 12
The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan leading to Ephraim,
and whenever a survivor of Ephraim said, "Let me cross over," the men
of Gilead asked him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he replied, "No,"
they said, "All right, say 'Shibboleth.' " He said, "Sibboleth,"
because he could not pronounce the word correctly, they seized him and
killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand Ephraimites
were killed at that time.
==============

 

[spinoza1111]

Ah, content-free then. I thought as much.





You could try checking the etymology of the expression. You might learn
something (again), O ignorant lout.

No need, racist. "Coon" in America is a racist slur. If you're some
sort of Limey sod, then you knew this after the first time you used it
because I told you.

Any time, any place, scumbag.

 

[spinoza1111]

You were "first to use that word"?

"Vaguely Hebrew origin"?

On the one hand, you assert you invented a word from the Old
Testament, that anyone who went to Sunday School or read a Gideon
Bible on a slow night should be familiar with, on the other you aren't
sure if it's Hebrew. Seems you are conflicted between your pretensions
to scholarship and the hatred of Israel that you randomly inject into
posts  here.

===============
Judges 12
The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan leading to Ephraim,
and whenever a survivor of Ephraim said, "Let me cross over," the men
of Gilead asked him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he replied, "No,"
they said, "All right, say 'Shibboleth.' " He said, "Sibboleth,"
because he could not pronounce the word correctly, they seized him and
killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand Ephraimites
were killed at that time.
==============

Guess I didn't read my bible enough. We Catholics prefer not to. Most
translations are garbage and like the British constitution, the Bible
is collection of incoherent documents.

Like the story of Onan the wanker, the story of the Shibboleth is
unedifying, and directly responsible for the murder of activists last
Monday on the Mavi Marmara.

Instead, I determined the MODERN meaning of "Shibboleth" from art
books long before my talk with professor Howarth.

Of course, Reading Rainbow, your reading comprehension again fails. I
meant, of course, that I was the first to use it in this newsgroup,
probably.

 

[Colonel Harlan Sanders]

Guess I didn't read my bible enough. We Catholics prefer not to. Most
translations are garbage and like the British constitution, the Bible
is collection of incoherent documents.

Like the story of Onan the wanker, the story of the Shibboleth is
unedifying, and directly responsible for the murder of activists last
Monday on the Mavi Marmara.

Instead, I determined the MODERN meaning of "Shibboleth" from art
books long before my talk with professor Howarth.

How odd that you so aggressively profess ignorance of this, when
otherwise you assert familiarity with classic literature.

I guess Seebach was right, you really do just automatically choose the
opposite position of your enemies, regardless if it makes any sense,
in this case you are trying to distinguish yourself from Heathfield,
who you have abused for his religious beliefs.

Of course, Reading Rainbow, your reading comprehension again fails. I
meant, of course, that I was the first to use it in this newsgroup,
probably.

What you "meant" isn't what you said.

You may indeed be the first person to use that word in this newsgroup.
Well, big deal.
But more interesting, I tried to do some research on word use in
Usenet.

Though Google has truly fucked up its search interface to the point
one can hardly trust it, it did find in Aug 3 1992:

From what I've seen of his posts, if Ed Nilges said
George Bush was a liar--that is to say, if he made an empirically
verifiable statement about Bush's mendacity--I'd have to re-register
as a Republican.

Well, I wouldn't really go *that* far, but you get my point. The Duke of
Nilgewater is probably your best advertisement.

Now that must make you feel proud. While bullschildt is forgotten
except by a few scholars, we're all familiar with Nilgewater after
over 20 years of hard trolling.

 

[Tim Streater]

No need, racist. "Coon" in America is a racist slur. If you're some
sort of Limey sod, then you knew this after the first time you used it
because I told you.

I'm not in America, shit-for-brains. In any case, if anything, it would
be a British racist slur on Africans. I never heard it used or referred
to while I was in the US.

We're not interested in your childish posturing here; go and learn
something.

 

[Tim Streater]

Tim, that's a fiver you owe me. He didn't learn nuffin.

Ah, knickers!

 

[spinoza1111]

I'm not in America, shit-for-brains. In any case, if anything, it would

I already told you the first time you used it that it was racist,
wanker. At that point you needed to stop since it would intimidate or
offend African Americans coming here to learn about C, you Limey son
of a bitch. You didn't.

be a British racist slur on Africans. I never heard it used or referred
to while I was in the US.

We're not interested in your childish posturing here; go and learn
something.

Make me.