Learning C++

[Ian Collins]

Well, the "problem" with GCC is not really a problem with compiler
as such. The compiler is good enough and I trust the brand to be in
top slots for whatever parameters.

The "problem" with it is that it is not an IDE.

Now that's a stupid statement if ever I read one. So the "problem" with
a spanner is it isn't a tool kit?

 

[Ian Collins]

We need to get used to idea that you have to PAY for something you get.

Most large opensource projects are developed by paid developers. A
third or more of my staff are working on opensource code. We use the
work of others and they benefit form ours.

 

[Rui Maciel]

Those acitions do not make it free. Unless it fell down from heaven in
the first place.

The world disagrees with you. Taken from a dictionary[¹]

free
12. given without consideration of a return or reward: a free offer of
legal advice.

Strange to see that narrowed down thinking in a programmer community,
thought global/system-wide observartion should be the norm :-/

Where exactly do you see "narrowed down thinking" in this discussion?


Rui Maciel
[¹] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/free?r=75

 

[Rui Maciel]

And that indirection brings in the cost too. Canceling 'free'.

It appears you don't know the meaning of the word "free".

Software may bne based on ideas, but creating it involves a big deal of
hard work.

....which by no means implies that the author is somehow forced to demand any
compensation, specially monetary compensation, from those who access his work.

When we get to telephatic interfaces and the "software == idea",
you may call it free, not before that. (I meant to state the truth -- in
another sense you're free to claim whatever falseness or mince words for
misleading. )

You got to be joking.


Rui Maciel

 

[Rui Maciel]

We need to get used to idea that you have to PAY for something you get.

That's stupid. Don't you understand that there are quite a lot of people who are
perfectly fine with the idea of sharing their work with the world, without asking
anything in return? People actually do that intentionally. Haven't you ever heard
of altruism? So where exactly do you get the idea that "you have to pay for
something you get" ?

Simply sucking on energy of those that are willing to give it to you
does not justify your parasitic nature.

Wow. Just. Wow.

Would ANY of you would be willing to work for free and waste
YEARS of their lives not to be acknowledged and being taken care of?

Where exactly do you get this preposterous idea that people who share their work
with anyone are somehow "wasting years of their lives"? Are you for real?


Rui Maciel

 

[Rui Maciel]

Sorry, but I have to plug in into this one.

Yes, understood. They are kinda write it for "their own use".
But...

There is a big but.
The thing is we are talking about, which means we know about
their code somehow. So they did release something somewhere.

So...

The question becomes: if you write some code, do you love yourself
enough to make it beautiful?

<snip nonsense>

You got to be joking.


Rui Maciel

 

[Rui Maciel]

Well, the "problem" with GCC is not really a problem with compiler
as such. The compiler is good enough and I trust the brand to be in
top slots for whatever parameters.

The "problem" with it is that it is not an IDE.
Compiler is just a compiler.
But what we work is not a compiler.
We work with IDE, the whole works.
Debugging, editing, and code completion specifically
and the rest of it.

I wish the Netbeans and Eclipse would learn the code completion
and screen space utilization from Visual Studio.

As far as I know, the code completion is simply horrible.
Screen utilization is simply sloppy.
And it all has been solved in visual studio.
And THAT is the standard. We can't go lower than that any longer.

You do a poor job at trolling.


Rui Maciel

 

[tanix]

Most large opensource projects are developed by paid developers. A
third or more of my staff are working on opensource code. We use the
work of others and they benefit form ours.

Well, cool.
I am not your judge.
Your HEART is your judge.

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[tanix]

Most large opensource projects are developed by paid developers. A
third or more of my staff are working on opensource code. We use the
work of others and they benefit form ours.

Well, cool.
I am not your judge.
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[tanix]

hard

Most large opensource projects are developed by paid developers. A
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Well, cool.
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[tanix]

We don't need to get used to any idea.
We'll do our thing, you can do yours.

How's that sound?

Pathetic.

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[tanix]

So you don't believe in altruism.

A blind man believes there is light.
The one, who can see, does not have to believe.
He can simply see.

Enough.

I do.

Don't tell me I'm wrong, I've seen it many many times, and philosophical
assertions, whether Randian treatises or old wives' aphorisms, do not
carry enough weight to convince me over the evidence of my own eyes.

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[tanix]

It appears you don't know the meaning of the word "free".



....which by no means implies that the author is somehow forced to demand any
compensation, specially monetary compensation, from those who access his work.

Well, not exactly he can DEMAND ANYTHING.
But it is something like of mother and child relationship.
Can CHILD "demand" ANYTHING fromt the mother?

You got to be joking.


Rui Maciel

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[tanix]

That's stupid.

Watch out!
The Diamond Sword knows no mercy.
Once it is raised, you head is off.

Enough.

Don't you understand that there are quite a lot of people who
are
perfectly fine with the idea of sharing their work with the world, without
asking
anything in return? People actually do that intentionally. Haven't you ever
heard
of altruism? So where exactly do you get the idea that "you have to pay for
something you get" ?



Wow. Just. Wow.



Where exactly do you get this preposterous idea that people who share their
work
with anyone are somehow "wasting years of their lives"? Are you for real?


Rui Maciel

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[tanix]

<snip nonsense>

Get out of my way, sucker.
And that is the BEST suggestion I have for your kind.

Enough.

You got to be joking.


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[tanix]

You do a poor job at trolling.

Did you hear what I said?

Get OUT of my way, sucker.

Rui Maciel

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[Miles Bader]

For a lot of open source programmers, they're writing code for their
own use, and given that they have zero to no interest in marketing or
sales, make it freely available since they wouldn't be making money
anyway. (Nor do they need the money, if they're volunteer coding.)

And of course it's wrong to say that one receives nothing for such work
-- reputation, learning, community, friendship are just some of the
possible benefits. The choice to freely work on what you _want_ to work
on, is also very nice.

Money is very useful, but it's hardly sufficient.

-Miles