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Michael Torrie
You should get together with ranging rick so that his python fork can
have unicode done properly then.
You should get together with ranging rick so that his python fork can
have unicode done properly then.
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Michael Torrie
I just finished reading this entire thread and I don't see any posts
that are unfriendly. Perhaps some of them are calling you on your
inflexibility and lack of experience in languages other than C#. All in
all things seem to be very positive and helpful.
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jmfauth
Sorry, what can say?
More memory and slow down!
If you see a progress, I'm seeing a regression.
Did you test Devanagari canonical decomposition? Probably
not. I did it.
I wrote probably more tests than any core developper
and tests doing precisely what this flexible representation
does (not like the tests I saw).
That's the good point of all this story.
It is not every day that, one has two implementations
of the same product, if one wishes to explain, to teach,
to illustrate unicode or the coding of the characters in
general.
Unicode is not different from the other coding schemes and
it behaves exactly in the same way. The solely and basic
difference lies in the set of the *characters* which is broader.
Unicode, the Consortium, uses the term, "Abstract Character
Repertoire".
jmf
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Chris Angelico
Sounds like IBM DB2 and sqlca.sqlcode - 0 for success, <0 for error,
"end of result set", which isn't exactly an error but you can't fetch
any more from it; it's akin to Python raising StopIteration to
terminate a for loop).
ChrisA
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Chris Angelico
Yep. It ended up feeling a little contrived, and I should havechanged the word "awesome" before it once "Awesome" got into the
acronym, but yeah, that was deliberate.
ChrisA
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Chris Angelico
Potted summary for those who aren't familiar with jmf's trolling:
Python 3.2 had a major bug in its Unicode handling, meaning that
non-BMP characters were mis-handled. Python 3.3 fixes these AND
improves performance on the whole. The complaints are about *very*
specific use-cases, and the overall string-handling benchmarks have
dramatically improved; but more importantly, the bug is fixed.
There, now you too can killfile him without loss.
ChrisA
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Gene Heskett
Humm, but what if you are worrying about having enough time just to finish
a bucket list? However, there so much in my bucket, I doubt if I'll ever
see the bottom of it. And of course, looking at it from my side of these
trifocals, the real question is should I put a smiley, or a frowny after
it, so I'll not confuse the issue by doing either.
Cheers, Gene
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> is up!
My views
<http://www.armchairpatriot.com/What Has America Become.shtml>
Our missions are peaceful -- not for conquest. When we do battle, it
is only because we have no choice.
-- Kirk, "The Squire of Gothos", stardate 2124.5
I was taught to respect my elders, but its getting
harder and harder to find any...
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Michael Torrie
All apps that return an error code to the operating system return 0 for
success, any other value for error. All command-line utilities work
this way, all shells, etc. Even Windows command-line apps work this way
(errorlevel is what they call it).
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Matej Cepl
And then you find out that to be REALLY good in one language, you
have to focus on one language, because otherwise you are writing
in some kind of mishmash. The point is that you don’t need to
know any language but to at home in the whole universe of
libraries, idioms, patterns, etc. and if you can manage to be
REALLY at home in more than one (or let’s say two) universes, you
are better than most (professional programmers) I know.
Shakespeare wasn’t good in writing German poetry, as far as
I know.
Matěj
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Michael Torrie
Most companies, development teams have unified coding style standards
that all programmers must adhere to in the company. They do vary across
different companies of course. Some may require K&R syntax for braces,
others might settle on GNU-like rules. One nice thing about requiring
braces in C-like languages is that it's trivial to run a utility on the
source code to reformat it to the required specification.
The point, though, is that even though you prefer to do if blocks that
way, if you were to change jobs and join the development team in another
company they may require you to format them differently. So we have to
adapt our styles to the needs of the team, the project, and the language.
I have never had a problem fighting indentation for blocks, and it
always seemed natural (just like how I program on paper or the back of
napkins). I am equally at home with C braces too. Seems about the same
to me, except I can simply leave off the braces on python.
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Matej Cepl
PLONK!
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Chris Angelico
Yep, the 0 = success part is pretty much universal (it's been said
that the cause of the downfall of the Roman empire was that, lacking
zero, they were unable to succeed at anything), but the notion of
negative for errors and positive for warnings isn't as clear;
errorlevels and Unix return codes are positive-only.
ChrisA
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piterrr.dolinski
Hi all,
(Ethan, I like your "resident troll" statement. Highly exit-aining!)
Thanks for all the input. I did not expect to get so much constructive feedback, the more so that my initial attitude towards Python has been less than positive, diplomatically speaking.
Yes, it's true that I am trying to write C# code in Python. It is not goingto change any time soon, if at all - I have done too much C#ing, C++ing before that and C-ing earlier still. What surprises me a bit is that no one has said one word against C#, as a form of retaliation against me not being in love with Python. And C# does have its share of concerns, like any language. So far I like the community a lot better than Python.
I am trying to learn some Python on my own (besides faffing with it on the job, to use a britishizm). I have discovered today there is no do...while type loop. [Sigh]
Peter
(Ethan, I like your "resident troll" statement. Highly exit-aining!)
Thanks for all the input. I did not expect to get so much constructive feedback, the more so that my initial attitude towards Python has been less than positive, diplomatically speaking.
Yes, it's true that I am trying to write C# code in Python. It is not goingto change any time soon, if at all - I have done too much C#ing, C++ing before that and C-ing earlier still. What surprises me a bit is that no one has said one word against C#, as a form of retaliation against me not being in love with Python. And C# does have its share of concerns, like any language. So far I like the community a lot better than Python.
I am trying to learn some Python on my own (besides faffing with it on the job, to use a britishizm). I have discovered today there is no do...while type loop. [Sigh]
Peter
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Mark Lawrence
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MRAB
....although some C functions return a negative error code because a
non-negative value is the number of characters written.
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Michael Torrie
Unfortunately as long as do, you'll find Python a less-than-satisfying
experience.
And I'm a bit surprised too because if you tried to program C# as you
would C++, you'd likely also be frustrated. C, C++, and C# all demand
different programming paradigms and even styles (despite the similarity
in the braces). Yet you got used to that.
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Vito De Tullio
I don't know if you know javascript, but I think your experience with it is
limited, as you listed two of of the many common pitfalls of javascript:
javascript has optional variable declaration, but if you don't declare a
variable (such as a local variable in a function) it binds itself in the
global scope;
in c/c++/c#/java... curly braces define a new scope, in javascript no.
if you do in javascript
function foo() {
if (some condition) {
a = 'something';
}
alert(a);
}
the moment you call the foo() function (and some condition is true), a
global variable "a" is created. (this time you *really* need to search not
the whole .js file, but the whole project, as there is no "file-level"
globals in javascript)
if you instead use the 'var' keyword to define explicitly a local variable
function foo() {
if (some condition) {
var a = 'something';
}
alert(a);
}
while you don't create a global variable, the "a" variable is still
accessible outside the "if" braces.
this is the reason most javascript linters (most notably jslint) force the
first statement of every function to be the definition of all function
variables.
by this point of view, python and javascript have the same philosophy, but
at least python doesn't allow implicit global variable definition
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Mark Lawrence
Or a dict, there are umpteen recipes showing how to do this.
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piterrr.dolinski
Hi guys,
Question. Have this code
intX = 32 # decl + init int var
intX_asString = None # decl + init with NULL string var
intX_asString = intX.__str__ () # convert int to string
What are these ugly underscores for? _________________str___________________
Peter
Question. Have this code
intX = 32 # decl + init int var
intX_asString = None # decl + init with NULL string var
intX_asString = intX.__str__ () # convert int to string
What are these ugly underscores for? _________________str___________________
Peter
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piterrr.dolinski
Hi guys,
Question. Have this code
intX = 32 # decl + init int var
intX_asString = None # decl + init with NULL string var
intX_asString = intX.__str__ () # convert int to string
What are these ugly underscores for? _________________str___________________
Peter
Question. Have this code
intX = 32 # decl + init int var
intX_asString = None # decl + init with NULL string var
intX_asString = intX.__str__ () # convert int to string
What are these ugly underscores for? _________________str___________________
Peter