Re: I have a problem with this:

[Neredbojias]

Orlando is the dividing line. In the daytime it can be sub-tropical
and in the evening quite temperate zone. You never know which zone
you might be in on any given day. I live about an hour's drive north
of there.

Hey, I never know which zone I'm in on any given day no matter where I
am...

Arghhh! I visited there one week. After three days I was in severe
pain in my nose and throat due to the total lack on ANY moisture in
the air. Also, all that brown scenery got to be depressing. I
missed the lush green. Yes, the mountains are a great sight, but
once you've seen 'em, like Niagra Falls, what's next?

Yeah, it's pretty dry out here although there's a "monsoon season"
where the daily humidity gets up to 40 or 50 percent. The brown
scenery doesn't bother me because I used to watch my dog take a shit.
The mountains and other sites don't sway me one way or t'other; it's
not having snow and ice and freezing temps in the winter that I like.

There is a great Indian place about 10 miles or so due east of
Flagstaff. It is like a giant Bundt pan. The Indians live on the
solid stuff in the middle. In order get there you had to walk down
about 10 flights of stairs and then walk up about the same when you
crossed to the middle. Very impressive. Sadona is also very nice.

If I walked down and up 10 flights of stairs, I'd be ready for a Bundt
pan, too...

Ah, Sedona. There was this hot, little number there. Man, she was
HOT, a real doll! But...you're going to have to wait till I become a
lot more senile before I tell the rest of that story.

 

[Jeremy J Starcher]

I think you could probably re-arrange things better so you don't have to
leave the page in order to, say.. look at specific items.... If you
could post the link again, I'll take another look and open the 2nd link
in FF.

http://r3jjs.com/js/hdots/

(As soon as our code base stabilizes again, I'll be putting up newer
version that looks /much/ nicer.)

 

[Jeremy J Starcher]

Really? You would help me?? All the tools I had to use were on my work
computer. I think I have SQL Server Management Studio Express on my
laptop but I'd have to look. What software would I need to try this?
I'm not even a novice at php tho... I've never even tried to code it.

I'm a fan of a product called 'easyPHP' that comes with the Apache web
server, PHP (of course), MySQL and another less commonly used version of
SQL.

(Go for the one with PHP v5.2 .. PHP 5.3 has some bugs from what I've
been hearing and I've been advised not to upgrade.)

Since I'm not a web admin, it was very nice having everything in one
brain-simple package and it serves as my primary testing ground.

(I also have a Linux server as a testing ground because of the way some
things are case sensitive under *nix, but not under Windows.)

The others are right though, server side code requires a great deal more
care and careful consideration. Although it is outside of the range of
this discussion, but there are some coding patterns that can make it much
easier to include all of the checking that needs to be done.

 

[Jeremy J Starcher]

My advice, certainly for learning purposes, was to get a shared hosting
service (Dreamhost, GoDaddy, etc.). That way she doesn't have to worry
about maintaining a server or Apache or anything else. She can learn
php and MySQL and let them do all the admin work.

Not bad advice, but less convenient.

I like being able to save in one window and hit F5 in the other and see
the changes.

(yea, yea.. my editor will save to FTP, but its a /lot/ slower and a lot
of the time I do development work when I don't have net access. Cuts
down on the amount of time I waste.)

 

[Neredbojias]

I tried it before I sent that reply and on the first page alone I got
all sorts of tutorials.

Um, I was just kidding. Yes, there is tons of info.

 

[Neredbojias]

In message <[email protected]>


Are you being snarky?

Not snarky, jokey.

First three hits googling for AJAX Tutorial:

<http://www.tizag.com/ajaxTutorial/>
<http://www.w3schools.com/ajax/default.asp>
<http://www.xul.fr/en-xml-ajax.html>

Nary a charwoman or Greek there.

....and all the more boring because of it.

 

[Jenn]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Jenn"

It doesn't have to be PHP, it can be any server side language, PHP,
ASP, ASPX, etc.

Never trust the client. Please read up on SQL Injection.

I'm interested in PHP, but not sure at this time if/when I'll be able to
begin learning it.

 

[Jenn]

http://r3jjs.com/js/hdots/

(As soon as our code base stabilizes again, I'll be putting up newer
version that looks /much/ nicer.)

It worked for me this time... it rendered a sheet music score? Interesting
for sure.

 

[Jenn]

My advice, certainly for learning purposes, was to get a shared
hosting service (Dreamhost, GoDaddy, etc.). That way she doesn't
have to worry about maintaining a server or Apache or anything else. She
can learn php and MySQL and let them do all the admin work.

I already have a couple of domains on a server that has PHP and MySQL on
it.. so I'm guessing I'm halfway there. Next, I guess I should find some
good tutorials or a book.

 

[Peter]

I wrote a long reply here, but it came out to strong and Jenn would have
reacted poorly to it -- so I deleted it. Instead,

Jenn, if you will not try to write perfect server side code, meeting all
standards, and highly readable and modifiable -- by an independent third
party that the customer may hire in the future --, then do yourself a
favor and don't even begin.

I can't even begin to tell you how much garbage php I have thrown away
and rewritten from scratch.

On the server side, "good enough" is never "good enough".

Even that response seems a little OTT. Is there such a thing as
'perfect' code of any kind?

Commenting on any code you write goes without saying, along with using
indentation and sensible variable names. Not sure, other than that, why
coding in php would be any more of an issue over any other
programming/scripting language?

And not sure what you mean by 'meeting all standards'. Isn't php an ever
evolving set of functions? So can you really say they are standardised?
Normally speaking, you want to use a function you read up on it and then
implement it accordingly.

 

[Peter]

My advice, certainly for learning purposes, was to get a shared hosting
service (Dreamhost, GoDaddy, etc.). That way she doesn't have to worry
about maintaining a server or Apache or anything else. She can learn
php and MySQL and let them do all the admin work.

So you wouldn't recommend server software such as Wampserver?

 

[Peter]

As I said before ... I'm familiar with some db coding, but never had the
chance to progress after the training I got because my IT trainer left last
year. Soooo ... I make due and keep working.

And it doesn't mean you wouldn't be capable of learning as you go.
Though others here may disagree. It all depends upon how logical a
person you are. Chances are, from what you say you've done as far as web
design is concerned, you may be more left sided brain than right sided
(or is it the other way round?), though who knows?

 

[Jenn]

And it doesn't mean you wouldn't be capable of learning as you go.
Though others here may disagree. It all depends upon how logical a
person you are. Chances are, from what you say you've done as far as web
design is concerned, you may be more left sided brain than right sided
(or is it the other way round?), though who knows?

beats me .. LOL They say if you're right handed that you are left
brained.. maybe?

 

[Neredbojias]

beats me .. LOL They say if you're right handed that you are left
brained.. maybe?

Does that mean everyone who isn't ambidextrous is half-brained?

 

[Jenn]

Does that mean everyone who isn't ambidextrous is half-brained?

.... or they could be a genious lol

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

... or they could be a genious lol

.... or they could spell lol

 

[Jenn]

... or they could spell lol

This is the internet .. correct spelling, punctuation, or even common
courtesy(it appears) is not required at any given moment in time.

 

[Neredbojias]

No, it means that we have the equivalent of two brains. OK, Ok, I am
right handed, but I can do pretty well even writing with my left
hand.

Well, I'm not ambidextrous, but get a load of this. I write with my
right hand and pitch with my left. Honest. Throwing things and the
like, it's southpaw; for finer work it's righty. Well, most of the
time. I actually scratch my ass with my left hand but then it's
usually the left cheek that itches. Picking my nose, however, is
predominantly righty (unless I do both nostrils at once.)

 

[Neredbojias]

... or they could be a genious lol

Being a genius is overrated. Microsoft supposedly hires nothing but
genii and look at the crap they come up with.

 

[freemont]

This is the internet .. correct spelling, punctuation, or even common
courtesy(it appears) is not required at any given moment in time.

Epic fail.