ruby IDE's

[Garry Freemyer]

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I am surprised to see sarcasm in this mailing list, or maybe I am just disappointed.

I know there are multiple versions of ruby, handled storing things in two different locations, I was simply asking for an explanation.




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From: Hassan Schroeder <[email protected]>
To: ruby-talk ML <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:22:57 PM
Subject: Re: ruby IDE's

Well, take the last two lines J2SE 5.0 J2SE 1.4.2

How can there be two versions of the same program called J2SE??

How can there be two versions of the same program?

Uh, what?

Like, how can there be a "Mac OS 10.5.6" and a "Mac OS 10.5.7"?

How can there be a "Ruby 1.8.6" and "Ruby 1.8.7" and "Ruby 1.9.1"

OMFG!! DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!!!!

Seriously -- "how can there be two versions of ..."?? What??

 

[Hassan Schroeder]

I know there are multiple versions of ruby, handled storing things in two different locations, I was simply asking for an explanation.

For why there are multiple versions of Java on your system?

How can that seem different than multiple versions of Ruby?

 

[Garry Freemyer]

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I know what ruby is. I don't know what programs are included in the nebulous mass of programs that come under J2SE heading.

Also I see things like J2 SDK, or J2 JDK, but I also see Java SDK, and Java JDK.

With ruby, its all called ruby and it's not so confusing, but if I saw a set of programs under conglomerates Ruby and Ruby2, I would be left wondering what version of which I should get for a particular purpose.




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From: Hassan Schroeder <[email protected]>
To: ruby-talk ML <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:36:46 PM
Subject: Re: ruby IDE's

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Garry Freemyerwrote: > I know there are multiple versions of ruby, handled storing things in two different locations, I was simply asking for an explanation. For why there are multiple versions of Java on your system? How can that seem different than multiple versions of Ruby? --
Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ (e-mail address removed)
twitter: @hassan

 

[Hassan Schroeder]

With ruby, its all called ruby and it's not so confusing, but if I saw a set of programs under conglomerates Ruby and Ruby2, I would be left wondering what version of which I should get for a particular purpose.

Would you? And so you wouldn't put any effort into learning what
those differences were?

So you could make an informed choice?

Up to you, obviously. Best of luck.

 

[Garry Freemyer]

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I guess I could break out a spreadsheet to make sense of it, or I could continue my fruitless search to try to find some site that lists it all ... Or I could try to ask some folks here for a site that might show me the differences and meanings ...

"And so you wouldn't put any effort into learning what those differences were? So you could make an informed choice? Up to you, obviously"

I never said I have not tried to make some sense of it. Like one fellow once corrected me many years ago for seeming to be making fun of others, I now ask you. Why all the bastardization?

Example of what I am running into...

Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2


Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2 delivers improved reliability and compatibility for Java SE 6, J2SE 5.0 and J2SE 1.4.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.4 and later. The release updates Java SE 6 to version 1.6.0_07, J2SE 5.0 to version 1.5.0_16, and J2SE 1.4.2 to 1.4.2_18. The update is available through Software Update and the Apple Support website.

The parts in bold seem contradictory. When I read things like Updates J2SE 5.0 to version 1.5.0_16 it seems like more of a downgrade to me. Going from 5.0 to version 1.50_16 WTH?!!"



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From: Hassan Schroeder <[email protected]>
To: ruby-talk ML <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:10:17 PM
Subject: Re: ruby IDE's

-) --
Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ (e-mail address removed)
twitter: @hassan

 

[John W Higgins]

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Garry,


...

Example of what I am running into...

Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2


Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2 delivers improved reliability and
compatibility for Java SE 6, J2SE 5.0 and J2SE 1.4.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.4 and
later. The release updates Java SE 6 to version 1.6.0_07, J2SE 5.0 to
version 1.5.0_16, and J2SE 1.4.2 to 1.4.2_18. The update is available
through Software Update and the Apple Support website.

The parts in bold seem contradictory. When I read things like Updates J2SE
5.0 to version 1.5.0_16 it seems like more of a downgrade to me. Going from
5.0 to version 1.50_16 WTH?!!"

I am far from any type of expert in Java - but to clear up your confusion -
Java "X" is the 1."X".xx family - in other words Java 6 is the 1.6.xx
family, Java 5 is 1.5.xx and Java 4 is 1.4.xx

John

 

[Garry Freemyer]

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Oh nice! That clears up a lot. Strangely I found what I needed, it was an update from apple to upgrade J2SE 6, and install J2SE 1.6, but strangely in the java preferences app, it still lists the ancient 1.4.xx version and doesn't list the 1.6.xx version. So strange. I think I might try to see why its not showing up. I had installed it yesterday, and its still not showing and I know I rebooted just in case.

Anyway thanks that helps a lot.



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From: John W Higgins <[email protected]>
To: ruby-talk ML <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:32:28 PM
Subject: Re: ruby IDE's

Garry, On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Garry Freemyer wrote: ... Example of what I am running into...

Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2


Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2 delivers improved reliability and
compatibility for Java SE 6, J2SE 5.0 and J2SE 1.4.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.4 and
later. The release updates Java SE 6 to version 1.6.0_07, J2SE 5.0 to
version 1.5.0_16, and J2SE 1.4.2 to 1.4.2_18. The update is available
through Software Update and the Apple Support website.
5.0 to version 1.5.0_16 it seems like more of a downgrade to me. Going from
5.0 to version 1.50_16 WTH?!!"
I am far from any type of expert in Java - but to clear up your confusion -

Java "X" is the 1."X".xx family - in other words Java 6 is the 1.6.xx
family, Java 5 is 1.5.xx and Java 4 is 1.4.xx John

 

[Phil Romero]

Would you? And so you wouldn't put any effort into learning what
those differences were?

So you could make an informed choice?

Up to you, obviously. Best of luck.

Well, I think I'll try and inject some help into this mounting flame
war. It's sometimes best to go to the source to figure this stuff
out. In this case, since Sun doesn't release sdks for Macs, you'll
need to do a little research (but not too much). Previously, to get
a jdk compatible with 1.6 proper on mac os X 10.5, you'd have to do
some hacking around. Here are some helpful links:

Historical: http://blog.adsdevshop.com/2008/02/26/installing-the-jdk-16-on-mac-os-x/
Recent information:
http://support.apple.com/downloads/Java_for_Mac_OS_X_10_5_Update_4

And to add my two cents to this IDE discussion, I think a person new
to the Ruby language should consider using a text editor like emacs/vi
at first and then see what other things are out there. Personally, I
prefer using Eclipse or Netbeans on *nix and have used some really
nice commercial plug-ins with Visual Studio on widows that are also
pretty great, taking full advantage of intellisense.

It's important to use something like emacs or vi at first because it
gives you an idea of what could be improved upon (and emacs is super
customizable; there are some great tutorials on setting it up for Ruby
developmen,t totally worth researching). As you become more
proficient and become involved in software development projects that
encompass many developers, you might see more IDEs or more powerful
editors in use (depending on the company you're working for).

There are lots of reasons for this many of which have to do with
adding unit test coverage, supporting development environments, etc.
that you can obviously do very easily in many different tools (which
is great about software development in general), but IDEs can make
this a one stop shop where you can do all these things which is very
appealing to developers when working on a large software project.

p.s. regarding java versioning, you should look at this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history

Good luck!

 

[James Britt]

I am surprised to see sarcasm in this mailing list, or maybe I am just disappointed.

A person's tone of voice does not come through in text, so humor can
easily be misinterpreted.

Better to assume the best, at least at first.

That's not to say people here aren't sometimes snarky, just that it may
not always be when you think it is.


--
James Britt

www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys
www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation
www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff
www.neurogami.com - Smart application development

 

[Garry Freemyer]

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Hmm, I've in the past shied away from vi, emacs because the key commands were so far different than what I was used to, but so many recommend these two and then I saw this tutorial on emacs just now in response to your recommendation and the neat things it can do, I figured, I better bite the bullet.

I got aquamacs emacs and its nice and easy to read with my poor vision and its highlighting of this ruby controller file indicates it understands ruby. It also understands these erb files without being told to interpret it as html.

Thanks! I think you got me started, on something I probably should have started using ages ago.


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From: Phil Romero <[email protected]>
To: ruby-talk ML <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:46:59 PM
Subject: Re: ruby IDE's

Would you? And so you wouldn't put any effort into learning what
those differences were?

So you could make an informed choice?

Up to you, obviously. Best of luck.

Well, I think I'll try and inject some help into this mounting flame
war. It's sometimes best to go to the source to figure this stuff
out. In this case, since Sun doesn't release sdks for Macs, you'll
need to do a little research (but not too much). Previously, to get
a jdk compatible with 1.6 proper on mac os X 10.5, you'd have to do
some hacking around. Here are some helpful links:

Historical: http://blog.adsdevshop.com/2008/02/26/installing-the-jdk-16-on-mac-os-x/
Recent information:
http://support.apple.com/downloads/Java_for_Mac_OS_X_10_5_Update_4

And to add my two cents to this IDE discussion, I think a person new
to the Ruby language should consider using a text editor like emacs/vi
at first and then see what other things are out there. Personally, I
prefer using Eclipse or Netbeans on *nix and have used some really
nice commercial plug-ins with Visual Studio on widows that are also
pretty great, taking full advantage of intellisense.

It's important to use something like emacs or vi at first because it
gives you an idea of what could be improved upon (and emacs is super
customizable; there are some great tutorials on setting it up for Ruby
developmen,t totally worth researching). As you become more
proficient and become involved in software development projects that
encompass many developers, you might see more IDEs or more powerful
editors in use (depending on the company you're working for).

There are lots of reasons for this many of which have to do with
adding unit test coverage, supporting development environments, etc.
that you can obviously do very easily in many different tools (which
is great about software development in general), but IDEs can make
this a one stop shop where you can do all these things which is very
appealing to developers when working on a large software project.

p.s. regarding java versioning, you should look at this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history

Good luck!

 

[Garry Freemyer]

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Its ironic, I can make jokes, I am always joking, but seem to be the last to note the humor. If I am wrong, I apologize to the fella.

The deal about text not carrying across tone reminds me of the saying "Text is for kids" a spinoff of the old commercial about the rabbit trying to get a taste of Kix cereal - it would always say "Silly rabbit!, Kix is for kids!"



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From: James Britt <[email protected]>
To: ruby-talk ML <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11:54 PM
Subject: Re: ruby IDE's

I am surprised to see sarcasm in this mailing list, or maybe I am just disappointed.

A person's tone of voice does not come through in text, so humor can easily be misinterpreted.

Better to assume the best, at least at first.

That's not to say people here aren't sometimes snarky, just that it may not always be when you think it is.


-- James Britt

www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys
www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation
www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff
www.neurogami.com - Smart application development

 

[James Britt]

Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 2 delivers improved reliability and compatibility for Java SE 6, J2SE 5.0 and J2SE 1.4.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.4 and later. The release updates Java SE 6 to version 1.6.0_07, J2SE 5.0 to version 1.5.0_16, and J2SE 1.4.2 to 1.4.2_18. The update is available through Software Update and the Apple Support website.

The parts in bold seem contradictory. When I read things like Updates J2SE 5.0 to version 1.5.0_16 it seems like more of a downgrade to me. Going from 5.0 to version 1.50_16 WTH?!!"

I recently learned that my Mac Mini included several versions of Java.
By default it runs some version of Java 5.

I tried to run the Glassfish gem, got an error about how the gem
required Java 6, and did the most reasonable thing I could think of:
bitch about Apple on Twitter.

A minute later a friend replied with instructions on how to select among
the different Java's available. Happiness!

The different versions are for 32- and 64-bit Java 5 and 6 (though Java
6 is only available for 64-bit OS X)

So, an upgrading of the installed Javas could very well involve
multiple, seemingly incompatible, versions.


--
James Britt

www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys
www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation
www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff
www.neurogami.com - Smart application development

 

[Hassan Schroeder]

=A0.. this mounting flame war.

I think you misspelled "educational dialog'".

Just sayin'

--=20
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twitter: @hassan

 

[Tom Cloyd]

I think you misspelled "educational dialog'".

Just sayin'

Oh man. You just gotta love this humor judo. Wow. Kudos to you, sir.

t.

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[gregarican]

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Its ironic, I can make jokes, I am always joking, but seem to be the lastto note the humor. If I am wrong, I apologize to the fella.

The deal about text not carrying across tone reminds me of the saying "Text is for kids" a spinoff of the old commercial about the rabbit trying to get a taste of Kix cereal - it would always say "Silly rabbit!, Kix is for kids!"

________________________________
From: James Britt <[email protected]>
To: ruby-talk ML <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:11:54 PM
Subject: Re: ruby IDE's

I am surprised to see sarcasm in this mailing list, or maybe I am just disappointed.

A person's tone of voice does not come through in text, so humor can easily be misinterpreted.

Better to assume the best, at least at first.

That's not to say people here aren't sometimes snarky, just that it may  not  always be  when you think it is.

-- James Britt

www.jamesbritt.com          - Playing with Better Toyswww.ruby-doc.org            - Ruby Help & Documentationwww.rubystuff.com           - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuffwww.neurogami.com           - Smart application development

Uh, it's *TRIX* are for kids. Kix is "kid tested, mother approved."
Just to set the record straight ~