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[Anno Siegel]

print system ("perl -v");

Yeah, right.

Anno

 

[Anno Siegel]

"Peter Hickman" <[email protected]> wrote

And please stop touting yourself as the king of this 'culture'. I am sure a
lot more people didn't even think twice about my little disclaimer than did.

Just for your information, I am among those who very much noticed
your "little disclaimer". I decided not to reply to someone who is
trying to single-sidedly set the terms of my reply.

Anno

 

[Peter J. Acklam]

Works fine for me as it will for many others.

Why are you trolling me?

A much, much better way of doing it has already been provided.

Peter

 

[John ©]

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No, just that those three people aren't completely sick of you by
now.

Wow, that's rude. You have posted one reply and I am already sick of you.

Cheers,
John

 

[John ©]

Just for your information, I am among those who very much noticed
your "little disclaimer". I decided not to reply to someone who is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
trying to single-sidedly set the terms of my reply.

Anno

And that's all I ASKED ... I didn't force anyone to do anything. I asked if
something could be done, if you weren't happy with that, then all you had to
do was not respond... if you feel that me asking you to not be rude would
set the terms of your reply and you didn't reply because of that, then
BINGO, success for me ... exactly what I wanted. So thanks. I didn't want
that type of reply anyway.

Cheers,
John

 

[John ©]

... rather than tell
them they are doing it all wrong.

When exactly did I tell anyone they were doing anything wrong? I requested
something. Can you please read the posts and get the story straight. You
keep circumventing the real point which is I am not telling anyone they are
wrong, I am not trying to tell this group what is best. I made a request.
You're not like Hitler, but you're just like the Soup Nazi ... if you don't
do it YOUR way it's wrong, but I ask for people to be nice and I am wrong.

I asked, let me repeat, asked ... the term 'ask' means something different
than command. Please, keep acting the way you feel best, but for MY POST, I
requested a certain type of response. So even if you want to call this your
culture or your community, MY POST was MY HOUSE in this community, and if I
ask you to take of your shoes in my house, I would expect you to comply...
and if you don't like it, don't reply, that's all. But you just don't seem
to get that.

(and now for more thought police I am sure.)

Cheers,
John

 

[Keith Keller]

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Wow, that's rude. You have posted one reply and I am already sick of you.

Hey, my plan worked!

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[Eric Schwartz]

I asked, let me repeat, asked ... the term 'ask' means something different
than command. Please, keep acting the way you feel best, but for MY POST, I
requested a certain type of response.

And this is USENET. You can't dictate your respondents' style, and
it's rude to attempt to do so. This is what you've been called on,
repeatedly. You think that your post should get only the kinds of
reactions you want-- sorry, it doesn't work that way.

So even if you want to call this your culture or your community, MY
POST was MY HOUSE in this community,

This isn't the same sort of community as in real life-- the rules are
different here. You haven't built a house; instead, you're standing
on the corner, saying, "Hey, I want you to answer my question-- but
only if you answer it the way I want you to!"

You're coming across as nearly sociopathic-- you want to get what you
want out of a community, but you are refusing to conform to the
expected norms of that community. The fact is, what is 'nice' here is
different than what you think is nice, and you'll either have to get
used to that, or cope with being ignored by the people best able to
help you, or leave.

and if I ask you to take of your shoes in my house, I would expect
you to comply...

This isn't that sort of community; it's more like a vicious cocktail
party. You toss out an idea, a thought, a question, and people run
with it how they will. Maybe they will laud you, maybe they will
eviscerate you; most of the time, it's somewhere in between. If you
don't like that idea, then don't post here.

and if you don't like it, don't reply, that's all.

Don't post to clpm if you don't want people to comment-- this is a
discussion-based group, after all, not a helpdesk. Nobody here gets
paid for what they do. If you want to guarantee nice, pay someone.

But you just don't seem to get that.

No, *you* don't seem to get how this society works.

(and now for more thought police I am sure.)

You seem to be the only person here restricting how people may write
in response to you.

-=Eric

 

[Nicholas Erkert]

You may also use a system call,

print system ("perl -v");

from perldoc -f system:

The return value is the exit status of the program as returned by the
"wait" call. To get the actual exit value shift right by eight (see
below). See also "exec". This is not what you want to use to capture
the output from a command, for that you should use merely backticks or
"qx//", as described in "`STRING`" in perlop. Return value of -1
indicates a failure to start the program (inspect $! for the reason).

The print here is probably unnecessary unless you need the exit code to
be displayed. The system call itself forks off and launches the command
you provide and gives it control of stdin, stdout, and stderr.
Once the program completes, execution of the perl program resumes and
control is regained by the script.

--Nicholas Erkert

 

[Anno Siegel]

And that's all I ASKED ... I didn't force anyone to do anything. I asked if
something could be done, if you weren't happy with that, then all you had to
do was not respond... if you feel that me asking you to not be rude would
set the terms of your reply and you didn't reply because of that, then
BINGO, success for me ... exactly what I wanted. So thanks. I didn't want
that type of reply anyway.

Oh boy, are you not getting it!

Anno

 

[Nicholas Erkert]

Nicholas Erkert wrote:




Thanks.

What point are you trying to make? Citing
perl doc is fine but does not allude to
whatever point you are trying to make.

Is it my use of "print" with system?


Purl Gurl

From the second paragraph of my last post:

The print here is probably unnecessary unless you need the exit code to
be displayed...

I'm just guessing that you didn't want (or care about) the exit code
being displayed, that's why I suggested the print statement may be
unnecessary.

--Nicholas Erkert

 

[Peter J. Acklam]

Thanks.

What point are you trying to make? Citing
perl doc is fine but does not allude to
whatever point you are trying to make.

Is it my use of "print" with system?

There are many problems with your code:

* The "perl" command might not be an executable along the path.

* You're not checking the return code from system().

* Forking a new process for this trivial task is a waste of
resources.

Peter

 

[John ©]

So now the rules are changing again? It's a culture, but it's not a culture,
but it is a culture, but it's not that kind of culture?

People have the right to respond anyway they want, and I accept that.

But exactly how does calling me out on writing PERL instead of Perl help? I
could see if it was even a "by the way, it's written Perl", but it was so
unkind.

And like I said, I don't own other people, regardless of if I ask or not, I
do not control how people respond. I do control myself however and what I
post, so I can post however I like. If it is true for you, it is true for
me... and when you take the time to read my post, you are coming into my
'community'. I put a sign in my window, with my requests, you read it and
don't like it, move along ... or post your dismay, fine by me ... I accept
that.... but don't expect me to sit back and not respond to what I feel is a
slight.

But please continue to tell me I am wrong, that is your right... I however
have my feelings/opinions too and I will continue to express them.

Cheers,
John

 

[John ©]

Oh boy, are you not getting it!

Anno

And I feel that neither are you.

Cheers,
John

 

[John ©]

You can think I'm trolling if you want, but I feel the need to point out
that the first google return for "Perl FAQ" returns www.perl.com/perl/faq
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
which, of course, is the official Perl FAQ.

Paul Lalli

I am sure you know a lot about Perl and don't need the faq, but did you even
follow that link? First of all, it goes to a lost page and then links to a
faq that is quite complicated, once again addressing the reader as if they
know Perl. So even if I would have known how to get to the faq, it doesn't
seem that it would have been any help for here.

The "Guidelines" to posting was helpful, but considering I didn't even know
to look for them (I've been in plenty of newsgroups that had no
'guidelines') and that it's only in the guidelines that it says to lurk
before you post (among other useful things), it's kind of a catch 22. So I
messed up, I am sorry. We'll all survive, won't we?

Cheers,
John

 

[Peter J. Acklam]

Ah, I well discussed this in my article, and
included examples of possible paths needed,
and possible perl executable names needed.

Of course, this depend on the operating system, so you would have
to include some logic to make sure you add the paths and
executable names that are appropriate for the operating system you
are running. Still, it is unlikely that you will be able to think
of all possible names for the perl executable and certainly not
all possible locations of it.

And with all this added logic you still end up with a much less
robust, must less compact, and a much less efficient solution.

Very clever, Kira.

Peter

 

[Peter J. Acklam]

I clearly state in my article,

"So much of this depends on your system configuration."

Yes, and...? I didn't say you didn't mention this, so I'm not
sure what your point is. I wanted to emphasise that even with all
the logic required your solution will still be very poor.

I would submit your continued use of deceit as
a premise to troll, is most illogical.

You must be rather paranoid to think this is deceit.

Peter

 

[Anno Siegel]

And I feel that neither are you.

There's the slight difference that my position is supported by wide
consent on this channel while yours isn't. That's the community thing,
you know...

Anno

 

[John ©]

There's the slight difference that my position is supported by wide
consent on this channel while yours isn't. That's the community thing,
you know...

Anno

And yes, wide reaching support is justification, correct? The SS had wide
range support for the holocaust, so I guess that was correct too, since it
had a lot of supporters. Two hundred years ago, slavery was supported by
almost every person in America (who was not a slave), so I guess that made
it right too. Abortion is right or wrong only because of the supporters?

I understand your point. I understand you didn't like my disclaimer, and I
accept that. I made a request. You didn't like it, most others didn't like
it, fine I accept that and I am sorry that you don't... but I am not
changing. It was a simple request that is all... and it was my request, you
don't have to like it. Just like I don't have to like all the guidelines
around here, remember they aren't rules or laws, I will not be sent to this
culture's 'jail'.

So why don't you just move on already. If you read the top of this thread,
you'll see the question was answered and we all moved on. Why can't you and
the rest of the gestapo?

Cheers,
John

 

[Anno Siegel]

...The SS
...support for the holocaust
...slavery was supported by
...Abortion is right or wrong

...but I am not changing
...and it was my request
...you don't have to like it
...I will not be sent to this culture's 'jail'.

You're already in.

...the rest of the gestapo

So who's throwing a hissy fit?

Anno