Re: CSS for positioning

[dorayme]

Thank you for being kind to me, dorayme .. and thanks to the few men here
who have also been nice to me. I think I will try killfiling a few people ..
one at a time .. until those left are good for me personally to interact
with... and not after my blood.

I notice quite a few posts lately that are quite informational
and even forcefully arguing and opposing in a reasonable way some
ideas you have put forward. These are the men to listen to.

You will not tend to get the best technical advice from people
who just like to chat but there are plenty of good people who
will, in the long term, help in technical problems and discuss
website building matters with reasonable decorum. If someone
throws in a few "nonsense"s and "rubbish"s, I am sure that will
not be a big deal for you. But you will sense when people do more
than this and are simply cruel and your plan to stop talking to
this type is an excellent one!

 

[dorayme]

There is no stopping opinion. I heartily agree with that.


"... all is valid." ???

dorayme, please tell me you didn't just say that!

I did say it but it was sarcastic, try quoting the relevant bits.
No, don't try. Try hard instead to remember Ed, that you never
understand, as you once admitted, anything I ever say.

By the way, I stand by all my sarcasms. Always have and always
will. They assist me. Once I forgot to take them with me (I keep
them in a pouch), and as a result, I got into big trouble, I
murdered 18 people that day. The judge accepted my excuse.
"Mmmm..." he said, "so you usually go about with these safety
devices? Mmmm... considering these killings were a one off in
unusual circumstances for you, I am going to waive a prison
sentence..." And so on and I was let loose again. Stroke of luck
really.

 

[dorayme]

Adrienne Boswell wrote: ....
And that is one (just one) reason I read and respect posts from you,
Adrienne. I know who you are. And you aren't clueless.

But you had to quote the whole thing just to say that? It seems
to escapes you that cluelessness is surprisingly thin, like a
fine gas, and can creep into the most unsuspecting places on
one's own person.

 

[Neredbojias]

Depends on who's buying.

<g>

That's the kicker: nobody wants it! dorayme wanted my brain before she
went off the deep end, -even offered to pay handsomely-, but now I
can't even peddle that. Anyway, to comment on this ongoing The World
vs. Jenn (-or Jenn vs. The World, whichever you prefer) thang, I'm glad
I stayed out of it. No matter who's right or wrong, it just seems to
have gotten too nasty to be beneficial in any appreciable way
whatsoever. The threads involved are hardly short of ludicrous when it
comes right down to it.

 

[Doug Miller]

So what I say means nothing then?

That's not what I said.

What I'm telling you is that, whether you intend to or not, you *are*
exhibiting some of the behavior that is characteristic of trolls -- and thus
you should not be surprised if some people assume that's what you are.

 

[freemont]

No one is hounding her, she continues to post her ignorant drivel and
reply to the people you say are 'hounding her'. If she wanted to avoid
these people she could easily kill file them (they *aren't* nymshifting
trolls) or ignore them. [shnip]
She nymshifted twice, each time after several people announced they'd
killfield her. [...]
The fact that people who took the time to killfile her had to do it a
second and a third time leads to perfectly justified annoyance at her
behavior, which is stacked on top of the level of annoyance that led to
her being killfiled in the first place.

^^^^ wot 'e said ;-)

 

[Adrienne Boswell]

Anyway, to comment on this ongoing The World
vs. Jenn (-or Jenn vs. The World, whichever you prefer) thang, I'm glad
I stayed out of it. No matter who's right or wrong, it just seems to
have gotten too nasty to be beneficial in any appreciable way
whatsoever. The threads involved are hardly short of ludicrous when it
comes right down to it.

Amen to that!

 

[Jenn]

That's not what I said.

What I'm telling you is that, whether you intend to or not, you *are*
exhibiting some of the behavior that is characteristic of trolls --
and thus
you should not be surprised if some people assume that's what you are.

Well.. some people should get a *clue* that I'm not a troll... I've said it
many times I post to my ngs from more than one computer and I even made a
point to note in my sigtag when I was posting from my laptop because I don't
usually use my laptop for that... It this now cleared up?

 

[Doug Miller]

Doug Miller wrote:

Well.. some people should get a *clue* that I'm not a troll...

And you should get a *clue* that you're acting like one, whether you are one
or not...

I've said it
many times I post to my ngs from more than one computer and I even made a
point to note in my sigtag when I was posting from my laptop because I don't
usually use my laptop for that... It this now cleared up?

I don't think that your explanation needed clearing up, because it was never
unclear. The part that needed clearing up was your understanding of why some
people think you're a troll. Is that now cleared up?

 

[Jenn]

And you should get a *clue* that you're acting like one, whether you
are one
or not...

Look ... I'm not acting like anything other than a new poster, here. I'm
really getting tired of people putting labels on me that are untrue.

I don't think that your explanation needed clearing up, because it
was never
unclear. The part that needed clearing up was your understanding of
why some
people think you're a troll. Is that now cleared up?

No... I'm not a troll ... I came here to find a group of people who like
websites like I like them. If you can't understand that, then I really
don't think we have alot to discuss from this point on.

 

[Jenn]

dorayme wrote:

That may be at the crux of the matter here. In this venue, with its
distinct culture and mores, we opine publicly and, in that act, ask
for comment, validation, correction and advice.

What Jenn hasn't done is:

- understand this group's culture and conventions

Thus far the only culture I've come aquainted with here is how rude and
vicious some posters can be here.

- accept or understand anything in the way of advice

I haven't asked for any advice. I did ask a couple of questions posed to a
couple posters that I feel won't slit my throat in their responses to me.
Funny how that works, isn't it? I find people who have decent communication
skills and ask them questions and they respond to me with respect and I
don't have to feel as if I'm fending off a shark out for blood.

- provide the sort of suitable URLs we demand of any other poster to
back up their claims

There's no way anytime soon I'd attempt to provide any links to anyone here
because I don't want to be critiqued into oblivian to the point where I
can't see out of the hole some of you would like to bury me in.

And, Jaysus! She apparently hasn't noticed that no one else in here
EVER says: "LOL."
The "LOL" nonsense makes her look nonsensical. It diminishes her
credibility and, despite being gently advised about it, keeps on with
it.

so what?? I use LOL when I'm happy or .. heaven forbid .. I use it when I'm
actually laughing or in a good mood. You should try it sometime ... being
happy .. smiling ... laughing because you're happy ... have you never heard
of using emoticons to express emotions in text discussions? It's very
common...

"When in Rome, do as the Romas do." If for no other reason than to
avoid being eaten by the lions.

This isn't Rome ... and if you are suggesting I become an unhappy vicious
critic like everyone else.. that isn't going to happen. The only people
here I see value in discussing anything with are those who show the ability
to have a discussion without slitting my throat, metaphorically speaking.

When visiting, find out how the natives act and try to act in a manner
that is akin to the natives'. She has done everything ass-backwards.
You may have noticed I haven't joined in the fray for quite a while,
eh? And I won't. She's not worth the time.

Perhaps some of you should get a clue and begin behaving better instead of
expecting me to behave worse in order to fit in?

And you do yourself a disservice supporting her on the seeming basis
of gender.
She may not be trying to be one but I stand by my assessment of her
as a troll.

I'm no more a troll than you are a nice man.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

No, it is not. The problem is that you use *three different identities*
from these computers. If you would be using the exact same munged email
address from all three, none of this would have come up.

No... I'm not a troll ... I came here to find a group of people who
like websites like I like them. If you can't understand that, then I
really don't think we have alot to discuss from this point on.

The group of people you found do _not_ like websites like you like them.
They prefer modern 21st-century coding practices where usability,
accessibility, validity, standards, and cross-browser usage are all
every bit as important as "design." You haven't caught on to that yet,
for some reason, and continue to counter that your 1995 ways are
sufficient. As long as you do that, you'll find resistance to anything
you say.

Imagine if a prospective new client found these threads while
researching your history, and read where everyone else was telling you
that you don't do it right.

 

[Jenn]

Because changing your nym after being publicly killfiled is one of
the characteristics of a troll.

And is there a special characteristic (that is not descriptive of
the activity) for people who just keep on hounding lone
Oklahomans?

My my, the energy that some people have put into chasing down
every imaginable mistake by Jenn in such contemptuous terms must
have so drained the pursuers that the task of killfiling her (big
deal, three times) would have assumed the order of difficulty of
making a human return trip to Mars. It was, like, *so* hard to
tell that it was *Jenn*, she was *so* good and sophisticated at
hiding her identities!

One can have trouble killfiling all kinds of people, many of whom
would not be trolls but mean sobs with just one address, they pop
up here and there in different usenet groups that one does not
expect and does not think to make provision for.

It would not occur to these poor chaps to stop announcing with
such great fanfare *publicly* that they are going to kf someone.

Who do they think they are, High Court judges in the days of
hanging in murder cases donning black caps?[/QUOTE]

It is frustrating to say the least. I think if I sneezed wrong and they had
a way of detecting it they would find fault in me and again label me even
more or a troll because I didn't sneeze how the group consensus believed I
should do it! LOL (yes.. that made me laugh. )

 

[Jenn]

All well and good but that is not what this place is about. If you
had bothered to read existing posts for a while you would have been
easily disabused of that notion.

I did read a while before I attempted to post here... It appeared to people
chatchatting about websites and various code, to me.

This is not some warm and fuzzy
place where we all joke and "LOL" all the time.

oh baloney .. I see people joking about stuff that is even off topic ...

This place is about
HTML and CSS and doing those things well and correctly.

I see more discussion about CSS than I do html.

If you have
no interest in doing that (as you have repeatedly demonstrated), and
you have no hide thicker than a will-o-the-wisp, well, this is not
the place for you. Don't feel badly, you just chose poorly. Easily
remedied!!!

I think I will see what the future brings ... groups evolve, you know ...
There is even hope for rude and nasty people to become used to discussing
topics in a sane and respectful manner... including you.

Find another "LOL" place where everyone just wants to
feel good about themselves regardless of their skill-level or lack
thereof, where the discussions are all about pointless things
grounded in nothing more than "Well, hell, it looks nice on my screen
right now!" alt.html isn't that place.

No ... I think I will hang out here and see what happens. I'm interested in
a few things, and have found a few people who are worth discussing some
stuff with. If you want to be included ... be my guest... otherwise I will
move on and begin enjoying myself in discussions with people who have decent
communication skills. I don't mind leaving you behind in such discussions.

And, knowing the residents here, I'm happy to have my opinion
disputed.
You, obviously, aren't.

Well.. I'm a resident here now, too....

 

[Jenn]

I notice quite a few posts lately that are quite informational
and even forcefully arguing and opposing in a reasonable way some
ideas you have put forward. These are the men to listen to.

I've noticed that, too... which is very nice!

You will not tend to get the best technical advice from people
who just like to chat but there are plenty of good people who
will, in the long term, help in technical problems and discuss
website building matters with reasonable decorum.

I enjoy reasonable discussions about new ideas and how we all see things.
I've felt more at ease asking questions with people who are reasonable to
discuss questions with.... I'm enjoying that part here, now!

If someone
throws in a few "nonsense"s and "rubbish"s, I am sure that will
not be a big deal for you. But you will sense when people do more
than this and are simply cruel and your plan to stop talking to
this type is an excellent one!

Well.. I got good advice from someone recently.

 

[Jenn]

<g>

That's the kicker: nobody wants it! dorayme wanted my brain before
she went off the deep end, -even offered to pay handsomely-, but now I
can't even peddle that. Anyway, to comment on this ongoing The World
vs. Jenn (-or Jenn vs. The World, whichever you prefer) thang, I'm
glad I stayed out of it. No matter who's right or wrong, it just
seems to have gotten too nasty to be beneficial in any appreciable way
whatsoever. The threads involved are hardly short of ludicrous when
it comes right down to it.

Perhaps people will then STOP attacking me? That would be nice. Then
perhaps I would actually find something I am interested to discuss with
people.

 

[Jenn]

No, it is not. The problem is that you use *three different
identities* from these computers. If you would be using the exact
same munged email address from all three, none of this would have
come up.

Set all three to: Jenn <[email protected]>
and you will be the better for it.

NO!! sheeeeeeesh ... I don't want all 3 to be the same. If I go to see
which computer I posted from at some point,, I would not know which one to
look at if they are all the same. If someone has a problem with that.. they
can kiss my *fill in the blank* ... got it?

The group of people you found do _not_ like websites like you like
them. They prefer modern 21st-century coding practices where
usability, accessibility, validity, standards, and cross-browser
usage are all every bit as important as "design." You haven't caught
on to that yet, for some reason, and continue to counter that your
1995 ways are sufficient. As long as you do that, you'll find
resistance to anything you say.

And resistance is a bad thing ... why?? I don't mind resistance, and I
don't mind learning why they do things differently.. and I actually don't
mind learning new techniques that I may be able to use now and in the
future, either. Anyone can be in a group where they agree on everything...
it's also very boring. You seem to believe that you and others here are the
only ones who have something of value to teach and you feel I am your
student, but I have news for you... I can teach you and others a few things,
too, along the way. I'm not here to take take take. Interaction between
people should be give and take.. take and give back. We are equals with
different perspectives who can learn from each other. You are not better or
worse in position or stature than I am. We both have something to give and
something we can learn from others along the way.. in fact ... I would say
everyone can learn and give to and from someone else.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

NO!! sheeeeeeesh ... I don't want all 3 to be the same. If I go to see
which computer I posted from at some point,, I would not know which one to
look at if they are all the same. If someone has a problem with that.. they
can kiss my*fill in the blank* ... got it?

Yes this is getting ridiculous! Sure it is easier to KF with a
consistent munged email but surely you folks can filter on the word
"Jenn" which is common to all her posts? Or if not, put three entries in
your bozo bin filter.

 

[Jenn]

Jenn wrote:

"Jenn" <snip>

Jonathan .. I was wondering about your site ... How did you and your wife
decide that dogs would be your focus? I did notice your custom pin
page...too... Did you draw the pic by hand first and bring it into a
graphics program, or do the whole pin image in a graphics program?

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Jonathan .. I was wondering about your site ... How did you and your wife
decide that dogs would be your focus?

Nan's specializes in the animals, it has just been her passion. She
paints all animals, has done some horse portraits lately, but being a
foundation Ibizan Hound breeder for 36 years tended to tended to direct
the focus towards dogs. My focus is in landscape and still-life.

I did notice your custom pin
page...too... Did you draw the pic by hand first and bring it into a
graphics program, or do the whole pin image in a graphics program?

A bit of all of the above. Some bits we draw and I scan and convert to
vector. Then I composite with vector drawn objects in CorelDRAW.