[ANN] ThunkGen released!

[Aldric Giacomoni]

I have communicated regularly in art related forums where the group
leader never uses capitals or punctuation. With some younger folks I
feel "verklemmt" / inhibited. I have lived in/with several languages
including the forgotten dialect of several people I loved most
dearly.

It is clear that there are certain "norms" and I did not take the time
to research 100's of postings.

Okay. Now we're getting somewhere. THUNK, A HINT FOR YOU: please listen
to the people who answer your questions. Do not get caught up in your
topic. Several people have, many times, asked you to alter your messages
so they were more readable and you seemingly ignored that. We all know
the excitation of working on a project which is dear to us.
Here, check this out: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
It will in fact explain the whole issue very well, so I will not expand
upon it further.

There is a REAL question, it was in the title, strange and out of the
ordinary that it may have seemed to you rather sober people:

Most strangely, that did not happen here. Knowing what I know now I
can understand that you have a tight group of "solvers" that know each
other, and a stream of "newbies" or regular folks and you come from
your perspectives and try and help, end up taking some shots at each
other on this that or the other - the "satz" thing reveals that.

We care about knowledge and understanding. We use the internet as a
medium to transfer information - this is called communication, and the
lack of body language and pheromones makes it much trickier, hence the
importance of, indeed, carefully building messages.

The focus is no[w] solid onto what it would take to build a MINIMUM
RU'ID DEMO - free for everybody if possible - for testing. The idea
would be to allow Ruby programmers to "Clone" and build up the
"system" - and talk about what it does, how, and such as that. It is
a fascinating idea to me, but not my major immediate goal. I don't
know how much help it would take, because many of the issues are
unresolved - but seem like they should be resolvable somehow.

That's easy. Do it the same way everybody else does. Put your code on
github and we'll look at it and pull it and use it and maybe send in
patches.

 

[Aldric Giacomoni]

The focus is no[w] solid onto what it would take to build a MINIMUM
RU'ID DEMO - free for everybody if possible - for testing. The idea
would be to allow Ruby programmers to "Clone" and build up the
"system" - and talk about what it does, how, and such as that. It is
a fascinating idea to me, but not my major immediate goal. I don't
know how much help it would take, because many of the issues are
unresolved - but seem like they should be resolvable somehow.

That's easy. Do it the same way everybody else does. Put your code on
github and we'll look at it and pull it and use it and maybe send in
patches.

As an aside.. I think your 'Ruids' repository on github is private,
which makes it impossible for us to view it.

 

[thunk]

yes

the offer of working with a 3rd party to make clone-able fully
functioning - closed loop demos stands.

the need to communicate has been lowered a few levels as sense has
been made of things.

exciting it is:

......probably, mostly, (putting thunk in the shoes of the Ruby
Community)

because it would demonstrate a simple thing in a simple way...

.......confusing it is because it is not a gem, and it is not a rails
alternative

.......confusing it is because it is bigger than a breadbox, in fact
has 8 or so modules of about breadbox size

......confusing it is to thunk:

because he would like to see it become something he knows it should
become but the 100% straight up - show us your code approach at this
point does not make sense for ANYBODY

.........confusing it is because some "trivial" things like saving
"files" are complex and thunk would need help to turn the EXPERT
SESSION into a web app that it needs to be (and he has done already
using Wee for domain#2)

...........confusing it is because people he knows to be at least 10X
smarter than old thunk have not figured out what this is, which
indicates that it isn't done, which further confuses things.

enough confusion shared?

how about this. after 15 years of not contacting anybody in his
field of Statistical Control work he contacted Mitutoyo yesterday.
True story. The useless dumb ineffective politico he was about to
fire is in charge of their IT (aurora) and does't care to hear about
anything new.

true story, i swear an oath on it

 

[thunk]

about the logic of not 100% open source at this point:


There is a "Core" which must evolve - it is not clear who would do
that, thunk is not interested in manning any ramparts of that nature -
been there did that

There is no desire to write a book

there is no desire to become a guru (although..... some recognition
would be welcome eventually)

There is a commercial path that seem boring at the moment - but seems
95% certain to raise some eyebrows when up.

AND there is a history of doing cool things to have somebody else
rename them and you DON't want to start old thunk on that!! but...

he did a FMS (file management system) that had "self - healing",
single big file that worked its way across multiple floppies
redundancy and such that just worked - and performance was reasonable
enough. about 2 years later, a friend explained that there is now a
system called "db" and the fms must be "like that". true story.
somebody in California always seems to get credit for what they do
later - and at age almost 62 - ol thunk feels that this could go
differently if the right people in the right place know what they are
hearing.

 

[Andrea Dallera]

Dude. Enough.
You're breaking everyone's balls. Please stop this.
(blacklisted)

 

[Ryan Davis]

Okay. Now we're getting somewhere. THUNK, A HINT FOR YOU: please = listen=20
to the people who answer your questions. Do not get caught up in your=20=

topic. Several people have, many times, asked you to alter your = messages=20
so they were more readable and you seemingly ignored that. We all know=20=

the excitation of working on a project which is dear to us.
Here, check this out: = http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
It will in fact explain the whole issue very well, so I will not = expand=20
upon it further.

It would to you or me... not thunk. The horse is still dead. Stop.

---

Please stop responding to thunk, he is crazy. If you stop talking to =
him, he will go away.

Even if he isn't crazy, he's incredibly off-topic and ruining our =
beloved signal-to-noise ratio. Either he needs to be on-topic, or we =
need to shun him.

Again, this man is insane, so please, please, please refrain from =
replying to his posts, or in threads he starts.

Don't believe me? LOOK! He's been arrested on the internet!

http://www.zenspider.com/~ryan/2010RT000042.html

If you would, please join us is fighting this problem. Copy this mail =
into your email signatures and use it either on-list or in a private =
reply to others to help stem the tide.

Thank You

 

[Ryan Davis]

Dude. Enough.
You're breaking everyone's balls. Please stop this.
(blacklisted)

Agreed. So stop responding.

 

[Ryan Davis]

Dude. Enough.
You're breaking everyone's balls. Please stop this.
(blacklisted)

oops. forgot my signature... need to be consistent!=20


Please stop responding to thunk, he is crazy. If you stop talking to =
him, he will go away.

Even if he isn't crazy, he's incredibly off-topic and ruining our =
beloved signal-to-noise ratio. Either he needs to be on-topic, or we =
need to shun him.

Again, this man is insane, so please, please, please refrain from =
replying to his posts, or in threads he starts.

http://www.zenspider.com/~ryan/2010RT000042.html

If you would, please join us is fighting this problem. Copy this mail =
into your email signatures and use it either on-list or in a private =
reply to others to help stem the tide.

Thank You

 

[thunk]

There as been no link to anywhere in last postings. Nothing to sell.
No book. No Speech. Nothing is for sale so this is confusing to
some.

The software is 100% pure dynamic Ruby. It has been the project of
passion, but the total focus of a 3 year project. The author of this
package was involved some of the best minds of the software industry
from 1974 or so 1995.
His software was sold around the world, blablabla

Mr R. Davis has all this, as references and such were sent.

He prefers rather to present an event that was strange. It involved
being on an Island without a hotel or motel, snow shows, snow storms
and people like Mr Davis would seem to be.

One favorite example of Not Listening to Experts: The year was 1976,
the machine was a HeathKit H8. The EXPERTS were programmers at
Milwaukee Banks. The Experts considered the specs of the machine and
TOLD the author, no hesitation, into the eyes... that the machine
"could be useful for anything".

Two months later the author was producing Quality Audit Reports for
the MetaMold division of Dayton Malleable. The author was their
quality control manager.

The technique being used is not that easy to understand but nothing is
that difficult either. No magic. But not trivial. In a sweet spot
somewhere in between. The technique makes no sense at all to do the
basic things that I have it doing. And that is confusing but true.

What is much more interesting is that only two things much happen for
the system to evolve:

1. Small program units are added to the system

2. HelperClasses must be maintained and added to.

The small programming units could be distributed.

The small programming units can be "generated" by a web-app by way of
something the author calls an "Expert Session".

That's it but, that is not it also because many things could be done,
and an exciting future awaits. And if that future is named something
else, it will not be for lack of my trying to communicate about it.

 

[Lyle Johnson]

Don't believe me? LOOK! He's been arrested on the internet!

=A0http://www.zenspider.com/~ryan/2010RT000042.html

I appreciate what you're trying to do, but that's a bit much, Ryan.

 

[thunk]

Ryan, guys

The next time you decide you need to get away, and you decide to
snow_show from one remote island to another more remote island
(obviously in winter != tourist season). And there is a wind/snow
storm and you visit a small bar. And a big woman with a cigarette
sits down DO NOT, I repeat do not brush the ashes from her front when
they fall on her. Let her burn up, if need be. This said sad event,
together with a lot of "you are not from around here, are you?" can
cause weird things to happen. But to have something like this happen
only one time in 62 years should - say something.

What, however, is insulting and more strange is that the communication
DIRECTLY to mr Ryan Davis included the Names of Who's Who professors
and such and that information was obviously not seen as appropriate.

Now this is really weird.

Thunk

 

[Dennis Nedry]

Ha!

I did field service at a a university. I got a call...

"random space appearing in word document".

I thought, huh?

I went out there... biggest woman I ever saw. (and this is in America).

Her brests were hitting the space bar when she lent over to type.

Explain that!

Ryan, guys

The next time you decide you need to get away, and you decide to
snow_show from one remote island to another more remote island
(obviously in winter !=3D tourist season). =A0And there is a wind/snow
storm and you visit a small bar. =A0And a big woman with a cigarette
sits down DO NOT, I repeat do not brush the ashes from her front when
they fall on her. Let her burn up, if need be. =A0 This said sad event,
together with a lot of "you are not from around here, are you?" can
cause weird things to happen. =A0But to have something like this happen
only one time in 62 years should - say something.

What, however, is insulting and more strange is that the communication
DIRECTLY to mr Ryan Davis included the Names of Who's Who professors
and such and that information was obviously not seen as appropriate.

Now this is really weird.

Thunk

--=20
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad.
You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

 

[Aldric Giacomoni]

Ha!

I am posting this for my own benefit. If I didn't post this, I'd be
posting something else.

Please stop responding to thunk, he is crazy. If you stop talking to
him, he will go away.

Even if he isn't crazy, he's incredibly off-topic and ruining our
beloved signal-to-noise ratio. Either he needs to be on-topic, or we
need to shun him.

Again, this man is insane, so please, please, please refrain from
replying to his posts, or in threads he starts.

If you would, please join us is fighting this problem. Copy this mail
into your email signatures and use it either on-list or in a private
reply to others to help stem the tide.

Thank You

 

[Andrea Dallera]

Oh come on, as i said already he's done enough to deserve it all. This
is the interwebz and if you expose yourself the way thunk has you've
gotta be prepared for some hate... we're even being much less offensive
than the situation would allow.

Nice humor, I liked that.

 

[Robert Dober]

Chuck,

GitHub had it up, then it was down, I resent one (had a copy) then
they both were up, then they both disappeared.

Just read the N.Korea is selling an open source os and spying on us,

Sorry for my ignorance, but who is us, and please try to explain in
less than 400 chars

um, i'm like wondering.... those people SPY on folks, nothing like
that happens, nah, but anyway I have copies and GitHub is in the
BackUp boniness, right?

Actually I am really happy (yes I mean it, it is extremlely infrequent
that I mean what I say but this is one of those cases) that you take
some joy in this "stupid" joke of mine.
<ignore rest>
sorry my mind is too small

R.



--=20
Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilou=
s.=94
--- Confucius

 

[Robert Dober]

Ha!

I did field service at a a university. =A0I got a call...

"random space appearing in word document".

I thought, huh?

I went out there... biggest woman I ever saw. =A0 (and this is in America= ).

Her brests were hitting the space bar when she lent over to type.

We just need vocal recognition, badly.

Explain that!





--
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad.
You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

--=20
Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilou=
s.=94
--- Confucius

 

[thunk]

the write up was about "nurfs"

i started the whole piece with a very bad word key word in shave-
headed agent space

the author is aware of these things, maybe you are not?

the poor north Koreans were my proxy

it gets confusing? but it all settled out as expected.

 

[Ryan Davis]

Sorry for my ignorance, but who is us, and please try to explain in
less than 400 chars

please stop encouraging him to "reply".

 

[thunk]

please stop encouraging him to "reply".

he is busy in his new "sandbox", no need to warn
http://trevoke.net/ruids/