Re: I have a problem with this:

[dorayme]

You're right ... it is hard to put into words. It is kind of like walking
into someones apartment or home without knowing who lives there and being
able to know if it is just a mans apartment, a womans apartment, a couples
apartmen, or even a home of a family. Not all websites are built in such a
way as to tell the gender of the designer or webmaster, but some are, and
that's what I see. Make sense, dorayme?

Perfect sense! If care and time is taken, some things like how
you can tell can be teased out in words that do give a few clues.
Let's have a go at this one day. It is surprising what can be
analysed

<http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/jokes/householdReligion.html>

In some cases of being able to tell things it is probably almost
impossible as in the chicken sexer case I mentioned.

 

[Jenn]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Jenn"

I was working full time as a developer for the first four years of my
son's life. I made good money, and provided a good home for my son.
When he went into Kindergarten, I decided that I should cut my hours so
that I could be as much of a stay at home Mom as I could. Money is
tight, but it's more important that I spend as much time with my son as
I can. I'm a 53 year old single mother, so I'm the only one he has.

Well.. I hear there are special places in heaven for moms of boys.. My son
(the baby) will be turning 21 in June. I have to say boys are different to
raise than girls. How old is your son, now?

Some of you people here (not necessarily you Adrienne[this post is
actually one of the nicer posts I've seen so far) seem to be so happy
to put me down and get your digs in because I haven't done it like you
would do it... my code isn't what you think it should be... an
inanimate thing seems to have more value than a human being has to
some of you...... but until you've walked a mile in my shoes, I have
to wonder how you could be so cruel and mean to someone you don't know
in the name of code?

In the beginning of this thread, people were helpful to you by pointing
out issues with your old sites.
You did not seem to want to take their
advice.

I didn't ask for any help. Someone asked to look at a site I did... I
provided a link to one. Then people found the profwebsolutions.com site and
looked at other links from the past, which again, I did not ask anyone to do
that, and I didn't ask for any help.

Understand that none of us are being paid for doing this, we
take a little time out of our day here trying to help others.
Sometimes, things get heated.

I'm fairly well versed in how ngs can get heated. I've been on them for a
long time and have run debate ngs, too.

I have walked a mile in your shoes, actually, I walk a half a mile up a
steep hill to get to work. I test my work in several browsers, and you
can bet your bottom dollar that I validate.

I don't validate ... never have ... that's just the way it's been and it
has worked fine for me thus far.

I wish you well in your endeavors, and I hope that you take some of the
well intentioned advice here to heart.

If I were to ask for advice, I would more than likely be apt to listen to
advice... but I asked no one for help or advice. I just wanted to chit chat
with people who have a similar interest in html. I have no intention in
becoming anyone's student here, although, if things come up in discussions
that interest me, that would be different to have discussions and learn from
each other. In fact, I believe I could possibly help some people here with
some things, myself.. in that respect, I don't mind trading ideas and
helping each other out because we are equals here, imo.... we all have
something to give. I am not a taker.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

in message

In HTML authoring, your gender means nothing.

How true!

On the contrary... I recognize that there are very real differences
in comparing the genders.

Physically, there sure better be.
HTML newsgroups, there is no gender.

I tell you that you have errors on your web pages.
You tell me I assault women and beat my wife.

You have no ammunition. Only blanks.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad hominem

 

[Jenn]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Jenn"


Stick around, you'll find out.

Well... if Jukka is a mean nasty person, it won't be pleasant for them or
me... but if Jukka is a nice person to talk with, then I have no issues to
object to meeting Jukka.

You like to build broken sites. Okay, if it's just for you, on your
computer -- not for the www.

No ... I LOVE to design and build websites... there is no *like* .... I
also love to try new code and play with it to see what I can do with it, and
I love a challenge to figure out how to do something and have it work. No
validation is needed for any of that.

 

[Jenn]

Perfect sense! If care and time is taken, some things like how
you can tell can be teased out in words that do give a few clues.
Let's have a go at this one day. It is surprising what can be
analysed

Sounds good to me. I enjoy chatting with you, and I also enjoy analyzing
things.

<http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/jokes/householdReligion.html>

haaaahaha funny story there......

In some cases of being able to tell things it is probably almost
impossible as in the chicken sexer case I mentioned.

true

 

[Jenn]

Jenn wrote:

Physically, there sure better be.
HTML newsgroups, there is no gender.

I tell you that you have errors on your web pages.
You tell me I assault women and beat my wife.

From the way you enter into a discussion with a lady, you give the
impression that you're a bull in a china closet, a bit of a brut, and not a
very nice person based on some of your responses. Asking you if you respond
that way to other women in real life was a rhetorical question for the
purpose of emphasizing the point I was making.

You have no ammunition. Only blanks.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad hominem

My dear Beauregard ... I asked for no help, and no analysis of the link I
provided. I simply showed one site I enjoyed designing and building because
I was asked if I would show a link.

Why do any of you feel that I even wanted my link to be analyzed or picked
apart? You took it upon yourself to do so, and then became offended when I
was not interested in your unsolicited advice. I did not need or want that
sort of help and that is not why I am here to begin with. You made a wrong
assumption, tried to shove your solution to a non-existant request for help
down my throat, and then labeled me in a mean and nasty negative way when I
did not kiss your perverbial code/validator God and bow down to it. What
sort of a response did you expect when that sort of unsolicited advice is
given in such a nasty mean manner?

If I wanted *help*, I would specifically ASK, and at that time I would be
interested in ideas to a solution, but I would still not want it shoved down
my throat since it would be my choice in the end what I do with the
information and assistance.

 

[dorayme]

...spent many years there growing up before I
eventually moved to Tulsa...

I know Tulsa from the Gene Pitney song "Twenty four hours from

Depending on the image and what it's application to the site is for... I
will generally use the Alt text unless there is no need for it, and there
are situations where it isn't needed.

If you are using an img element it is best to put in an alt if
only to use alt="" (for where the image might be just decoration
say) so that if the image is not available to a browser for any
reason, nothing gets shown rather than some "broken image" icon.

And generally, the whole subject of providing alternatives in
text to pictures is an interesting one and often badly understood
by many.

Some time back I was mightily impressed by an example that
Korpela (a writer on HTML) gave. An author might use a picture
instead of an <hr> element. What to give for the alt text? He
canvassed the possibility of "------" but pointed out how this
would go for an aural rendering of the page! He suggested a good
alternative might be something like "new section".

Anyway, I am just saying, there a few fine points about all this
stuff you might look into when you have time. And, of course, a
few fundamental ones like that this element is meant as an
alternative to the image, not necessarily a description; the
function of the image might be more important.

 

[Jenn]

You keep using that word. It doesn't mean what you think it means. The
word you are evidently to weak and timid to use is 'sexes'.

excuse me .. I thought you had me killfiled? go away .... I was having a
nice time.

 

[freemont]

Can't you see how all this over the top baiting and direct crude
railings should be beneath you? Nothing Jenn has said or done could
possibly justify the level of vituperation. Why make out like an early
man when you, unlike him, have the benefit of Aristotle's teachings?

I find her annoying¹. I seem to be, if not in the majority
opinion, in good company. As far as I'm concerned, she's a troublemaker.
As far as I'm concerned, she is the one who should be apologizing - not
that it'd mean much at this point. So I have her killfiled, and I won't
see her posts or respond to them for at least thirty days. That's as good
as it's going to get. Scotty out.

 

[dorayme]

On 5/4/2010 9:28 AM, dorayme wrote:

Dorayme, I like your comments about Jenn.

Here is my summary as I have read these posts:

1 - She is self educated in html, which is admirable.
2 - She has made a living at it, which is even more admirable.
3 - She is a relative novice in the subject, which is understandable.

I note your use of "relative" which can be used to include all
sorts of things over which I can't say anything in advance. But
Jenn is no novice. I was not a novice at keeping an old washing
machine going for years, but it worked well enough and I sure
would not like to have had a bunch of washing machine mechanics
sitting around drinking beer and bonding together as they laughed
and abused me and hurled empty crushed tinnies at me and offered
me unsolicited advice while I worked in my own pleasurable
manner.

Btw, If they had not charged like wounded bulls, I might have
appreciated a hand with one or two things. Yes, all the puns here
are intended. <g>

....

In conclusion, don't you guys think this has gone on long enough?

Hear hear!

 

[Jenn]

On 5/4/2010 9:28 AM, dorayme wrote:

Dorayme, I like your comments about Jenn.

Here is my summary as I have read these posts:

1 - She is self educated in html, which is admirable.
2 - She has made a living at it, which is even more admirable.
3 - She is a relative novice in the subject, which is understandable.
4 - She is resistant to taking the advice of experts here, which is
regrettable and, I daaresay, somewhat stupid.
5 - She has failed to point out that what was in the past worked then and
she currently has no responsibility for updating it. If she did, then she
would value maintainability much more than she obviously does.
6 - Calling her a troll is ridiculous and offensive. Uneducated and
feeling attacked for it and so getting her hackles up? Yes. But a
"troll"? No.

In conclusion, don't you guys think this has gone on long enough?

3. I am not a novice... 14 yrs being paid to design and build websites
makes me NOT a novice.
4. I did not ask for any advice, and the people here are my equals as far a
skills go, although we all have more time spent with various applications of
html.
5. I have pointed out repeatedly the sites are 5 to 10 yrs old.
6. I am not uneducated... I've spent alot of time, years even, studying
various subjects on my own. That does not equal uneducated.

 

[Jenn]

I note your use of "relative" which can be used to include all
sorts of things over which I can't say anything in advance. But
Jenn is no novice. I was not a novice at keeping an old washing
machine going for years, but it worked well enough and I sure
would not like to have had a bunch of washing machine mechanics
sitting around drinking beer and bonding together as they laughed
and abused me and hurled empty crushed tinnies at me and offered
me unsolicited advice while I worked in my own pleasurable
manner.

Btw, If they had not charged like wounded bulls, I might have
appreciated a hand with one or two things. Yes, all the puns here
are intended. <g>

...

Hear hear!

Once again .. dorayme .. thank you!

 

[dorayme]

I find her annoying¹. I seem to be, if not in the majority
opinion, in good company. As far as I'm concerned, she's a troublemaker.
As far as I'm concerned, she is the one who should be apologizing - not
that it'd mean much at this point. So I have her killfiled, and I won't
see her posts or respond to them for at least thirty days. That's as good
as it's going to get. Scotty out.

I am very pleased to hear this. But better to use the drop down
preference option in your kf that says "For ever more. Amen".

 

[Jenn]

Your reading comprehension sucks. I never had you killfiled. This is at
least the third time I've told you that.


Bite me.

I've told you before.. I'm not a vampire...

 

[Jenn]

I know Tulsa from the Gene Pitney song "Twenty four hours from



If you are using an img element it is best to put in an alt if
only to use alt="" (for where the image might be just decoration
say) so that if the image is not available to a browser for any
reason, nothing gets shown rather than some "broken image" icon.

And generally, the whole subject of providing alternatives in
text to pictures is an interesting one and often badly understood
by many.

Some time back I was mightily impressed by an example that
Korpela (a writer on HTML) gave. An author might use a picture
instead of an <hr> element. What to give for the alt text? He
canvassed the possibility of "------" but pointed out how this
would go for an aural rendering of the page! He suggested a good
alternative might be something like "new section".

Anyway, I am just saying, there a few fine points about all this
stuff you might look into when you have time. And, of course, a
few fundamental ones like that this element is meant as an
alternative to the image, not necessarily a description; the
function of the image might be more important.

Interesting ... just so you know.. you will appreciate this, I'm sure..
I had to add an image to a new page today and added the alt="" tag simply
because you mentioned it here. hahaaaaaahaha ...

 

[Jenn]

I note your use of "relative" which can be used to include all
sorts of things over which I can't say anything in advance. But
Jenn is no novice. I was not a novice at keeping an old washing
machine going for years, but it worked well enough and I sure
would not like to have had a bunch of washing machine mechanics
sitting around drinking beer and bonding together as they laughed
and abused me and hurled empty crushed tinnies at me and offered
me unsolicited advice while I worked in my own pleasurable
manner.

Btw, If they had not charged like wounded bulls, I might have
appreciated a hand with one or two things. Yes, all the puns here
are intended. <g>

I should have asked you ... what was the thing you would have appreciated a
hand with?

 

[Jenn]

In message <[email protected]>

YOU claim to be able to tell if a site was designed by a male or a
female just by looking at it.

It is not a claim .. it is a fact.

YOU keep dragging your sex into this over an over. NO ONE else has made
any points or allowances about your sex at all.

YOU are the only sexist pig in this thread. Just you.

I'm guessing your parents did not teach you about treating women like
ladies?
Google it if you can't figure it out on your own.

God luck with that. There is practically no one left that you haven't
insulted and would still consider helping you.

ahh .. it is the other way around ... they insulted me while they were
attempting to take a pound of flesh, and I responded with giving them a
cyber black eye. I am very amiable with people a majority of the time.

Your sex does not entitle you to any special treatment. No one here
cares *at all* about your sex, your sexual orientation, your religion,
the color of your skin, the color of your eyes, the color of your hair,
your height, your weight, your disability, your shoe size, the shape of
your nose, how many tattoos or piercing you have, what country you live
in/were born in, how much money you have or don't have, what car you
drive, nor the rash on your elbow. *NO ONE* cares. *NO ONE* is going to
treat you 'special' based on any of those factors. Stop being a sexist
pig,

I am someone, and I care to be treated as a lady, so your entire argument is
now moot because you said "no one here cares" about that.

sublimate your bigotry into some of that Xian acceptance you claim
to believe in, and except that to everyone else you are simply text on a
screen.

We have not even approached the subject of *Xian* beliefs and what they
entail. It would seem that would be off topic here, but I'm not opposed to
discussing it. You should take into consideration before you take me up on
it that I've been debating such topics for years, so you will probably just
end up frustrated and I should encourage you to not even go there, else you
become even more frustrated than you are now.

You will be judged *SOLELY* on what you say here and on what code you
produce. As far is I am concerned, you've dug yourself a very large hole
to begin with.

I'm not concerned with the judgements of people who are so conceited that
they can't see past their own noses. If, by some small chance, I've managed
to deflect the jerks who are in love with their own press, and they leave me
alone, then I'm very well contented to have discussions with the nice people
who are left.

 

[dorayme]

I should have asked you ... what was the thing you would have appreciated a
hand with?

I could not easily nail down what was causing the imbalance when
it span, nothing to do with clothes, even when empty. It used to
shake violently and it was really best to lock the laundry door
and leave it like a wild beast to do what it liked to the room.

Replaced bearings, springs and improved a few things but in the
end, I shoved great wads of high density foam rubber in besides
the harnessed-on-springs tub inside the washing machine case.
That helped a lot! I did this after checking all windows and tops
of fences to see no professionals were peeking.

It was a front-loader and its name was Jim. I have pictures of it
and a movie of it somewhere.

 

[BootNic]

On Tue, 4 May 2010 06:10:42 +0000 (UTC)

[snip]

I used to say that about frames. Anyway, the site is up and some
of the bugs are even worked out of it. There are several tables
(but don't expect it to be what you expect.)

http://www.moviegnu.com

If you or someone with virgin ie7 could check it in that, I'd
appreciate it.

Seems to work and look fine in IE7.

I do have a few suggestions:

• Filter the onresize calls. It's not too bad if it is simply
maximized or minimized, but resizing in any other way will
make many many resize calls, could cause a problem.

http://bootnicredirect.bounceme.net/ex0002

• Change document.body.clientHeight/Width to
document.documentElement.clientHeight/Width.

• If you wish to check for Opera I suggest using window.opera
rather then getting the uastring.

if(window.opera){/*do something for opera*/}


Over all it looks good.




--
BootNic Wed May 5, 2010 08:19 pm
"If you want to test your memory, try to recall what you were
worrying about one year ago today."
*Rotarian*

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[Neredbojias]

In the many years I have been online and on ngs, I have never been a
woman who follows the crowd. I am an individual who will not be
bullied, coerced, or harassed by anyone to conform simply because
someone else tells me to do so.




1. I didn't ask for anyone's advice on the links I offered for
viewing 2. I am a professional who is paid
3. No need to fix old sites that are for example purposes... I will
check to see whats up with the shopping cart errors when I get the
time. 4. I expect to be treated like a lady because I am a lady..
that is not too much to ask or expect from people who consider
themselves to be professionals.
5. All men aren't abusive, but some of you men here are being abusive
to me. 6. I "LOL" because I am happy when I post "LOL".. I am
generally a fairly contented lady and happy with my life a majority
of the time (barring the normal frustrations and issues that happen
to everyone on occasion.)

I'm happy when I'm barring, too, but some people here find contentment
and satisfaction in the periodic 2-buck-chuck nights.

(PS: Don't tell Adrienne I said that.)