Re: I have a problem with this:

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Most usenet groups are infested with folk out to batter others. In
these toxic brews, a self-respecting gal from Oklahoma can be
expected to clash a bit. It does not mean what you think.

In this case, it does. She wandered into a.c.a-v a week or so ago and
made a complete fool of herself there as well, refusing to acknowledge
the renown infamous software thief PCButts and that he should be
considered an okay guy because she "didn't know who he was" .. even
though she was presented with a huge amount of evidence. And she kept on
and on posting saying nobody should pick on the thief for that reason.

It got as ridiculous as it has here.

And ... in all my closing-in-on-seven-decades, I have never once been
accused of being an abusive male and a woman-beater. I *like* women!
Most of them.

 

[Jenn]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme


I agree with you, and hope that Jenn will get something out of this.
Jenn, consider yourself lucky, it could have been Jukka.

I don't know who Jukka is, and I really don't care. What do you think I
should GET out of this fiasco... HUH? I'll tell you what I've gotten so
far.. the realization that there may not be anyone here who loves what I do
like I do. Some of you must have pretty empty lives if all you can see in
what I do is code that needs to be fixed. I have a very real passion and a
gift for what I've been doing over the past 14 yrs. Maybe you guys just
aren't the right people to be around.

 

[Jenn]

You bet'cha


Yes, but children have the excuse that they are children and don't
know any better. Learning is part of growing up, and growing up is
learning to recognize what is useful and true even is it conflicts
with presently held views.


Sorry, I was always under the impression that to be a professional one
had to actually know one's craft. Also that that knowledge was not
static, especially where technology is involved. Everyone's ire rose
when she make proclamation that validation was irrelevant, CSS was of
little use, and tables are the gold-standard for proper web design
layout. Instead of supporting her assertions her examples proved the
opposite. When the fragility of her designs and deficiency of her code
was revealed, (in some cases where the page did not even work in
non-IE browsers), she cried foul of sexual harassment!

Pleeeeease, I can speak for myself I don't give a rats if she was
male, female, martian or whatever you are. Ask Mason, or Luigi! Jukka
can bunt to the point of brutal, but he is usually correct and I have
learn a lot from him. So buck it up Jenn! Stop being such a victim
and consider that the criticism just might be justified. If you
approach has not changed in 10 years that *is* a problem. Try and
view your work with a different browser, a with different default
font size, a different system. And recognize when your page fails in
one of them it is a problem and your fault. If it looses sales for
your clients then that is no LOL.

please... go suck on an egg because at this point I see nothing of value I
can learn from people who believe they are God's gift to to anything. I am
not here to be told to buck it up for anything or anyone. I just wanted to
hang out with people who liked html like I do and not be harassed and picked
apart. Congratulations...... to you all.

 

[Jenn]

Jenn is not a liar on your evidence. Her idea of pro is not so
bad, she makes sites for paid work and not for mere pleasure. Her
many websites are paid ones and likely useful to *a big bunch of
people* and this does not change from fact to fiction just
because the work could be better or accord more strictly to
certain standards.

Thank you for your kind words, dorayme, but I'm thinking I don't belong here
on this group.

 

[Jenn]

dorayme wrote:
And ... in all my closing-in-on-seven-decades, I have never once been
accused of being an abusive male and a woman-beater. I *like* women!
Most of them.

Well... there is always a first for everything... you are quite the bully.

 

[dorayme]

Are you saying "Jenn" is a child?

Harlan, where is that book where you write down names of people
who don't understand analogies?

Lewis, the point is that some people take a while to change
course, it takes time to absorb information and appreciate it.
Initial verbal resistance should not be some black and white test
to determine longer term openness. Many of you are too impatient.
But then men tend to be a bit of this... gathering nuts and
fruits takes patience, the objects do not escape, going for the
kill of a prey requires the hunter to be ultimately anything but
patient and careful. I realise you cannot help yourself.

 

[dorayme]

honestly... I'm afraid to even go there with the responses I've gotten from
some people here already.

That is probably wise, I was just thinking I hope Jenn does not
try answering quickly because it would be *a very hard question
to answer*.

I better make it clear that I am certain the question was genuine
curiosity considering who it came from. I suspect it would defy
or at least resist words and simple patterns. There is probably a
literature on this somewhere.

 

[Jenn]

True trolling attitude.

I am near certain tht this entity is just here to incite. Stop taking
the bait. Ignore it.

Coming from another male bully who doesn't like it when a woman rejects his
advice. Additionally a man who has to hire other people to do what he can't
do himself.

 

[dorayme]

"dorayme" ....

Male and female sensibilities in design work is a rather
fascinating matter actually.

I can quite believe Jenn can tell (with a suitable margin of
error that still leaves the skill of being able to tell an
undoubted better than chance one). But it might be pretty hard to
*say* how this is done. Chicken sexers get to know how to tell
sex of newborn chicks with great accuracy without being able to
say quite what they are going on. The chickens just look
different to them!]

A big hint might have been the fact that three of the four sites Beauregard
presented are about very big motorcycles.

Yes, it would be very interesting to do some field work
experiments where such info is hidden to know better on this
matter. It should be such an easy experiment to conduct, I bet it
has been done already at least with regard to print material
graphic art.

 

[dorayme]

Thank you for your kind words, dorayme, but I'm thinking I don't belong here
on this group.

Nobody really belongs or comes on in these days so I would be
disappointed! Before making any decision to leave, consider using
your kf aggressively, it will cut out all the folk giving you too
much grief. Right click and "kill this author", there are not
that many and anytime you want to chat about something to do with
website practice, you might get some useful discussions.

 

[Jenn]

"Jenn" - whatever that is - is simply here to incite. Is that not yet
clear to you?

I'll repeat it for you since you have a problem understand a woman speaking
English .. I came here to find people who like html and coding websites as
much as I love it....

There hasn't been a single exchange of knowledge with Jenn yet.

Your idea of an exchange of knowledge is you shoving your suggestion down my
throat and me swallowing it... and bowing down to you in utter thanks and
appreciation for your humble sacrifice....

and.....fyi, I've actually offered several ideas to Neredbojias that could
really help with their video site. The first inkling of anyone interested
in actually *exchanging ideas*..... it was rather a pleasant experience, no
thanks to you, Mr. Bully.

Nor any acceptance by Jenn of any thought or opinion offered.

I have an aversion to having things shoved down my throat... it generally
makes me gag.
Perhaps you should try some other approach, since you have no chance of ever
being an authority figure to me who I'd take advice from due to your current
caveman style blatherings.

 

[Jenn]

Nobody really belongs or comes on in these days so I would be
disappointed! Before making any decision to leave, consider using
your kf aggressively, it will cut out all the folk giving you too
much grief. Right click and "kill this author", there are not
that many and anytime you want to chat about something to do with
website practice, you might get some useful discussions.

I like you, dorayme ... I don't want to make any assumptions.. are you a man
or woman? I am guessing from Australia?

 

[Jenn]

"dorayme" ...

Male and female sensibilities in design work is a rather
fascinating matter actually.

I can quite believe Jenn can tell (with a suitable margin of
error that still leaves the skill of being able to tell an
undoubted better than chance one). But it might be pretty hard to
*say* how this is done. Chicken sexers get to know how to tell
sex of newborn chicks with great accuracy without being able to
say quite what they are going on. The chickens just look
different to them!]

A big hint might have been the fact that three of the four sites
Beauregard presented are about very big motorcycles.

Yes, it would be very interesting to do some field work
experiments where such info is hidden to know better on this
matter. It should be such an easy experiment to conduct, I bet it
has been done already at least with regard to print material
graphic art.

I don't recall seeing any motor cycle sites from any links here...

 

[dorayme]

dorayme, please don't sully your excellent reputation here taking up a
cause that is ill-conceived.

I am protecting the reputation I have with myself. I don't know
about you, but I like to sleep nights. I know you drink a lot of
strong coffee.

You are good and kind to a fault.

I can be as vicious as anything on earth, please do not question

"Jenn" - whatever that is - is simply here to incite. Is that not yet
clear to you?

No, it is not.

There hasn't been a single exchange of knowledge with Jenn yet. Nor any
acceptance by Jenn of any thought or opinion offered.

Patience. There have been some acknowledgements actually.
Patience Ed, patience.

She won't offer up any example of her work younger that ten years. Huh?
What's up with that?

For Christ's sake, she has done far too much offering of her
websites. Be kind and steer the conversations to interesting
subjects in website work and leave off all this negative personal
stuff. It is not always a good idea to keep pushing hard on
something.

Go out and gather some nuts and fruit as an exercise, leave off
hunting for a while, it is getting you too excited and upset.
Tell your wife to email me and I will instruct her how to hide
fruit and nuts in your backyard somewhere and how to ensure you
spend at least 8 hours a day for a while gathering. I will send
her forms to fill in to monitor your progress. <g>

 

[Jenn]

In message <[email protected]>
John <[email protected]> wrote:

You feel you are entitled to special treatment because you have
internal gonads instead of external gonads. Or at least so you claim.

I AM entitled to being treated like a lady, so if you want to get anywhere
in any discussion with me I suggest you learn to treat me like a lady.

I also have issues with you posting from two different From addresses
to avoid people's killlists.

I have no interest in you viewing my posts, and I have even less interest in
altering my properties to avoid your killfile... by all means if one of the
computers I use shows up on your post list.. by all means mark them as read.

You're input is not needed anyway... so I'll thank you to engage your
killfile now.

 

[rf]

I don't recall seeing any motor cycle sites from any links here...

Here is the complete post from you, answering Beauregard, after he posted at
your request links to some of his sites:


<quote>

Jenn wrote:

Sure, here's a few:
http://countryrode.com/
http://freezeblock.com/
http://fingerlakesbmw.org/
my personal site:
http://tekrider.net/

well.. your sites are very.. mmmmmm ... male influenced as far as the
design goes... but that's to be expected.

You need a bigger image of you on the motorcycle. How old is that image?
It's so small it sort of looks like you're wearing 70's clothes.

 

[Jenn]

Sexist pig.

Why do you insist on dragging your genitalia into this thread over and
over again?

Genitalia is a body part ... Gender is not.

 

[Jenn]

Yes, anyone who doesn't give you preferential treatment is a bully. We
understand that.

Bullies are people who pitch emotional temper tantrums in an aggressive
manner in order to intimidate someone else they perceive to be weaker with
the goal that that person submits or conforms to the bully's wishes. Such
intimidation comes in various expressions and behaviors. I'm well aware of
what those are, the goals bullies want to achieve, and how they respond when
the subject of their aggression does not respond and submit to them as
desired.

You appear to be pitching quite the emotional temper tantrum, Lewis. Back
off. I'm a lady and you are harassing me.

 

[Jenn]

Here is the complete post from you, answering Beauregard, after he
posted at your request links to some of his sites:


<quote>



well.. your sites are very.. mmmmmm ... male influenced as far as the
design goes... but that's to be expected.

You need a bigger image of you on the motorcycle. How old is that
image? It's so small it sort of looks like you're wearing 70's
clothes.

soo? He's sitting on a motorcycle... his sites don't look like they've been
made by a male because he's sitting on a motorcycle... what's your point?

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Well... there is always a first for everything... you are quite the
bully.

If there is anyone here who exhibits bully tendencies, it is you.